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The Zuckiverse and you (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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Hey peeps. By now you all heard that Zuck's meta has started and in a defederated mode. This instance has already signed the Anti-Meta Fedi Pact and we plan to not help improve the value of Facebook, if and when they plan to open federation.

However I am thinking we can have a bit of fun beforehand.

You see, Threads is extremely sanitized in order to be "corporate friendly". Naturally this makes their service as exciting as a bowl of plain porridge. However in order to keep their corporate partners happy, they are also extremely cautious about anything controversial and will likely defederate from anything too spicy.

So why not use this an an opportunity to make Threads defederate from us?

What would you say that we leave federation up, but use the opportunity to share with the larger threads populace some important information about filesharing? Sharing is caring after all and we have plenty of knowledge to give.

Naturally, if this doesn't work, we will defed them ourselves soon after anyway, but I expect it will. What say you all?

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[–] webuge@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think it is a good idea. We should block them immediately. Nobody knows what they will be capable of doing.

[–] Amputret@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I am inclined to agree - trying to weigh things up:

Pros

  • Bragging rights to be able to say that we got Threads to defederate from us.
  • May hurt Threads' popularity in the short term.
  • A warm fuzzy feeling from the above two points.
  • Umm... that's it?

Cons

  • Potentially undermines the impact the Anti-Meta Pact by not immediately defederating with them, actions are usually stronger in unison.
  • Related to the above, any instance federated with them, even if they then become hostile, adds to marketing numbers to allow Threads to legitimise themselves as being connected to X other communities.
  • The "Court of Public Opinion" probably won't be too sympathetic to us if we spam mommy Meta's new social network with goatse. I suppose that shouldn't matter, but if we make ourselves too unpopular it may be a pain in the ass if more mainstream instances like lemmy.world defed from us due to making ourselves pariahs.
  • Potentially brings the Eye of Sauron upon us.

Weight these how you will, and please let me know if there's others to add to the list. To me the cons outweigh the pros, though I am willing to have my mind changed.-

[–] Jakeg@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No thank you, give them access to user info even one time is too many.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

they don't get access to user info anyway

[–] Jakeg@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

But they would if they’re allowed to federate. This is a company that builds shadow profiles on people that don’t even use fb. You really think they’re not going to try and get what they can get their hands on by any means necessary?

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What the other poster said. That information is already publicly available and can be collected without even having another instance just via the public api.

[–] Jakeg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So I can create an instance and automatically start scraping people’s info? Or is an instance not even necessary? I understand how web crawlers and spiders will index but do they have access to the granular account data? If so how do we mitigate this?

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

You only have limited access to use info. You can't see emails or IPs etc. Content, votes etc you don't need an instance, you can just scrape directly.

There's no mitigation.

[–] nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago

Sounds fun and I would love it. But we will playing with the “devil”, and you know, it has plenty more power… and resources.

[–] Mozami@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't like the idea and really don't want Zuck being anywhere near the fediverse.

[–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I do not support this idea. You know what they say about having a cracked tail light whilst you're driving around with a car full of cocaine.

That's a no from me, dawg. Defederate before they can suck up any data at all.

[–] pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

I don't disagree but isn't the data on Lemmy public anyways? If they wanted they could scrape it, whether we defederate or not, couldn't they?

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago

I like your thought process, but this is a bad idea

It's a lot like poisoning your chickens to defend against foxes. It might work, it might not, but it only makes sense if you're willing to sacrifice the chickens to take out some foxes

[–] Djangofett@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Create a goatse community and ensure it's always on the front page of threads.

[–] Overzeetop@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When they talk about an open standard, I don't think this is what they meant.

[–] Djangofett@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Oh it'll be open.

[–] camethroughtor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's a better idea than spouting Neo-Nazi shit, but I'm not sure this is the greatest idea if your account is linked to any other accounts. They could trace it back to you and fuck you up (legally).

I for one am connected through Tor and used a new email address hosted by Danwin, so I am going to sail the high seas on here. Yo ho!

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Note, I wasn't talking about doing anything illegal. But I'm sure Facebook won't be happy if people even link to the The Pirate Bay frontpage

[–] BlackSpasmodic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I need someone smarter than me to come up with all the ways this could go wrong. It sounds cool to me but I don't know anything

[–] oasoa@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

yeah I have a gut feeling it's not as simple as it looks, but I can't tell what it is logically

[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago

I'd rather just defederate from them and be done with it.

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