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Eli manning is a hall of famer. Ya I said it

I’d say whenever he retires, Mahomes is also a sure-fire HoF, he has 2 SB, 2 SB MVPs and 2 regular seasons MVP…he is 100% already in

The thing is I think the actual line is Eli, since I get the sense that's more polarizing and closer to 50-50 (maybe more like 40 in favor-60 against), whereas I feel the Ryan-Roethlisberger-Rivers area is a more secure tier where at least 2 if not all 3 of them will get in eventually even if it's the "wait 10 years in the backlog" kind of induction. They love to have QBs in their classes wherever they can get them and they're all defensible cases.

Ryan and Rivers should go in together as Colts.

Ben is pretty sure fire.

Big Ben will likely make it because of the two Super Bowls. But it won't be first-ballot

Matt Ryan has the next best chance out of those three, but MVP and Super Bowl appearance doesn't guarantee Hall of Fame - see Rich Gannon, Boomer Esiason, and Ken Anderson. Now granted, it seems Ken Anderson is on a path to get in as per Senior Committee so Matt Ryan could possibly do the same.

Philip Rivers, who I think was great, is probably last in the list. The lack of any Super Bowl appearance is likely his biggest obstacle. Other QBs who didn't make the Super Bowl still had other major achievements to their name, such as Dan Fouts (OPOTY, All-Pros) or Warren Moon (OPOTY, 2nd team All-Pro),

Matt Ryan and Rivers aren't even close imho.

This game has been around for over 100 years. If you have a resume like the guys in the second tier, you absolutely need to be in. Passing happy era or not. To stay healthy and productive for that long is amazing.

Obviously some bias, but I think Ben makes it in and the other two don't. The two rings ALONG with the 17 years of good to great play I think puts him over the other two, and even then Ben isn't a lock like the players above him.

It wouldn't be CRAZY if one of the other two made it in, but I wouldn't place any bets on it.

Ben is absolutely getting in with 2 rings and 3 appearances on his resume, alongside all the individual accolades. Ryan and Rivers have the volume stats but were unfortunately just overshadowed by their contemporaries.

Eli Manning lol. It’s funny because Eli has TWO rings and TWO SB MVPs, while being top 10 in most counting stats of all time and is seen as only a borderline case for the HOF like Rivers and Ryan, while Big Ben has 2 SB rings with no SB MVPs and is seen as a lock for the HOF.

The only eligible multi time Super Bowl Champion QB not in the Hall is Jim Plunkett. Eli is getting in if people like it or not. People consider Ben a lock but he's got the distinction of having the worst performance of a winning QB and one of two multi time winners with no Superbowl MVP(other is Bob Griese).

Ryan and Rivers will have to wait longer than they should because Eli is getting in ahead of both of them.

I don't think Ben gets in first ballot

I’d say Ben gets in. Ryan and Rivers I don’t think make it.

Is Brees really a shoe in with no MVPs and only 1 ring?

I love Philip Rivers. No way he gets in.

Right or wrong, HOF is swayed by Super Bowl appearances. That’s Ben R’s biggest plus, and a minus for Rivers & Ryan. On the other hand he had an early career “me too” problem. My gut feel is they ignore the problem, focus on the success, and me makes it in. But I don’t think it is a slam dunk.

As far as Rivers? I don’t know if it hurts that he played for 3 teams, but no Super Bowl appearances will hurt. 8 pro bowls and 1 comeback player are pluses. But I think he just misses.

Once Eli Manning gets inducted into the Hall of Fame that’s when it’ll become the Hall of Very Good

Saw the title and came in ready to defend Rivers with my life instantly

I think you ultimately have to be judged against both HOF members and your peers. Ben, Matt Ryan and Rivers all played at a high level for a long time, and they're probably better than some of the players already in the hall, but when you're competing not only with four of the greatest QBs in league history (Brady, Peyton, Rodgers and Brees) but also Mahomes (who is basically a lock already), with guys like Lamar, Burrow and Allen also potentially in the discussion.

They're not the best of their generation and they're not better than the best of the next generation. In fact, it even being up for debate sort of tells me that they shouldn't be in. Maybe Ben, but only because of his two rings.

Kind of related, but I'm always surprised that analytics doesn't have a similar stat to WRC does in baseball. It gives good number about a player's production, but more importantly it helps outline how much better production is relative to other players. If average is 100, a WRC of 113 says they are 13% more productive. I feel like this would really help distinguish eras and the explosion of offense we see today. On the flipside, it would also highlight just how dominate a player like Jerry Rice was given the lower offense production from that era

Not that the committee weighs PFR HOF score, but there’s an argument to be made about whether a potential candidate should be better than the average HOF player.

Ben is a lock

This thread is nerdy as fuck.

Yall don’t know shit about football.

I don’t know where the line is exactly but Troy Aikman is in and that gives a hell of a lot of leeway to borderline candidates

Ben definitely gets in, I don't think it's up for much debate.

Big ben is getting in. Its probably not gonna be first ballot but he will get in eventually with those superbowl rings and long career. Ryan and Rivers though...I feel like theyre right at the borderline of great player and hall of fame player. If either had a ring, I feel like it would be a shoo in. Maybe in a particularly weak class they might make it 10+ years down the road or senior comittee.

It's amazing to me that in my prime football-watching youth, we had like 3-4 clear HoF QBs in the league: Peyton, Brees, Brady, and then Rodgers.

After that though? Lots of debate.

Even among the current crop, who looks to be on that tier besides Mahomes'?

rivers has no all pros, no mvp and no super bowl appearances so he's not getting in and shouldn't get in. perfect example of a hall of very good qb

roethlisberger has the two championships so he'll get in

ryan has 1 mvp and 1 super bowl appearance so he's right on the line

In an ideal world only the elite of the elite get in, so Brady, Brees, & Rodgers. Realistically Ben and Eli will also get in. Rivers and Ryan (and Stafford and Russ) should not get in.

If Dan Fouts is in the hall, Ryan, Rivers, and Big Ben are all getting in

Yearly inductions to the hall of fame slowly degrades its value. Outside of parts of a single season there was no point in which Rivers, Roethlisberger, or Matt Ryan was even top 3 among his peers. Philip Rivers was never better/more deserving of HoF than Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees during his career.

If guys like that are getting in then you have to start making a case for guys who were the 5th or 6th best QB of their era - are we putting Ken Anderson and Rich Gannon in the hall of fame?

It usually comes down to rings. If they've got one, its the 3000 hit club for baseball level.

Lack of ring has kept Ken Anderson out and I absolutely think Rivers is HOF level but some are gonna hold that against him

I'm thinking Ben and Matt are locks. I'd have Rivers a notch or two below, not sure it he makes it.

I also think Eli Manning is a lock BTW, didn't notice you talking about him.

Ryan should get in if people actually understand the game of football.

You forgetting about Eli Manning

Eli beat the GOAT twice when it mattered the most. If that’s not HOF worthy I’m not sure what is

I’m fine if people don’t think Ryan will get in, just always blows my mind if that same person thinks rivers is more likely. His career is really close to just “matt Ryan with no Super Bowl appearance, one less championship appearance, and no mvp or all pro”.

If there’s a debate about a player then that’s a red flag for me. The HOF is getting watered down. I’m almost to the point where I feel like the first ballot guys are the worthy ones. Those dudes who were THE GUY at their position. Or at least one of two or three for the majority of their career, are the special ones.

Are they a first ballot HOFer? No? HOVG.

It's not all about stats. Bradshaw barely threw more TD's than INT's over his career and he was a solid HoF lock (different era, yes). Rings do count, but so do "flashy" stats. Ben's 4 games over 500 yds passing is one of those for example.

Brady is an obvious lock. Rodgers is a lock. Ben is a lock. Eli gets in because of beating Brady in the Super Bowl twice. Brees gets in on performance/stats/records. Rivers has a shot but a slim one. Ryan is out.

Ben is the line, but will likely get in because of his rings. Without them he wouldn’t. Ryan and Rivers will not.

Joe Namath has awful numbers, even by the standards of the time. He is in for that SB win and general notoriety. Eli Manning will get in on the same criteria.

Rivers and Ryan aren't in the convo.

Brees is on the bubble, but I think he'll get in.

Big Ben and Eli are locks, though Eli is only getting in on narrative.

I think 28-3 and 33-0 keeps Matt Ryan out of the hall. To me those overshadow his one exceptional season.

Rivers is worthy, the Chargers weren’t good enough for him, and they continue to fail an equally talented QB today. If you can have the number 1 offense and defense but go 8-8 and miss the playoffs that’s on the organization.

I think the real debate here is whether Eli’s 2 rings get him in before Ben despite Ben being objectively more successful in all other measures.

Ben and Eli are in. Ryan and Rivers are not.

they all have great counting stats. Ben and Eli have the rings which are really important. Ryan has the 1 MVP but thats really it.. he only has 4 pro bowls even and pro bowls are a low bar. Rivers has no mvp, all pros, or rings- no shot.

The five-year waiting period will come in handy. Guys like Rivers and Ryan might have the numbers now, but probably won’t by the time they’re eligible. Whichever ones we’re still talking about as HOFers will have much clearer cases.

joe namath is in the hall so...

I think Ryan and Rivers are probably the new line.

I could see that SB loss and MVP pushing Ryan in and keeping Rivers out.

But I think yards and TDs are going to be a watered down state for QBs.

I think the stats outlook will shift to high leverage stats, awards, and titles.