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Regarding Ben Roethlisberger, name me one eligible NFL QB who has started in three Super Bowls but is not in the Hall of Fame.

Also, I think it's fair to say that playing QB in the AFC North is more difficult than playing QB in the AFC West or NFC South. There's no climate-controlled indoor stadium or sunny southern California in the AFC North. Instead, some QBs get their brains bashed in by the Ravens and Bengals defenses, often in poor weather conditions. It's hard for a QB to keep his numbers pretty in a situation like that.

Overall, this is how I see the pre-2016 era of NFL QBs, listed in chronological order by entry into the league:

In on the first ballot

• Peyton Manning
• Tom Brady
• Drew Brees
• Aaron Rodgers

In, but not on the first ballot

• Kurt Warner
• Eli Manning
• Ben Roethlisberger

Probably in

• Russell Wilson

Borderline

• Philip Rivers
• Matt Ryan

Hall of Very Good

• Donovan McNabb
• Carson Palmer
• Tony Romo
• Alex Smith
• Matthew Stafford
• Cam Newton

As for the QBs who have entered the NFL since 2016, Patrick Mahomes is the only one with a clear path to the Hall of Fame. The rest of them still have a lot to prove, but also a lot of time to prove it.

Regarding Ben Roethlisberger, name me one eligible NFL QB who has started in three Super Bowls but is not in the Hall of Fame.

Also, I think it's fair to say that playing QB in the AFC North is more difficult than playing QB in the AFC West or NFC South. There's no climate-controlled indoor stadium or sunny southern California in the AFC North. Instead, some QBs get their brains bashed in by the Ravens and Bengals defenses, often in poor weather conditions. It's hard for a QB to keep his numbers pretty in a situation like that.

Overall, this is how I see the pre-2016 era of NFL QBs, listed chronologically by entry into the league:

In on the first ballot

• Peyton Manning
• Tom Brady
• Drew Brees
• Aaron Rodgers

In, but not on the first ballot

• Kurt Warner
• Eli Manning
• Ben Roethlisberger

Probably in

• Russell Wilson

Borderline

• Donovan McNabb
• Philip Rivers
• Matt Ryan

Hall of Very Good

• Carson Palmer
• Tony Romo
• Alex Smith
• Matthew Stafford
• Cam Newton

As for the QBs who have entered the NFL since 2016, Patrick Mahomes is the only one with a clear path to the Hall of Fame. The rest of them still have a lot to prove, but also a lot of time to prove it.

Ben, Rivers and Matt all get in. May not be first ballot but they will eventually

I have Big Ben way ahead of Rivers and Ryan.

Even throwing away all stats, he's the only one of those guys who was ever a scary opponent in a meaningful game

Big Ben yes. Rivers no unless a long wait on the ballot. Matty is a no. Probably bc of 28-3

Phillip Rivers is a lock for Babymaker HOF.

Big Ben gets in. 2 SB rings and a franchise QB for like 16 years.

Matt Ryan would’ve gotten in if he had that SB.

Phillip Rivers is a no.

You forget Eli Manning. Who has two rings against the GOAT and an undefeated team as underdogs. Wasn’t great, but super clutch in the playoffs and SB.

I would also like to say Eli Manning should be in this same conversation. 2 SB MVPs and a long career as a starter definitely puts him on the same level as these guys. Not saying he should be in but I feel he is being left out here

Ryan and Rivera have no shot.

sorry but rivers and ryan don't belong in the hall of fame imo. big ben absolutely does. you should need to make an actual impact on the NFL to be there. ryan didn't do enough notable things and rivers was...good? he should get employee of the month for how reliable he was in terms of attending games but i cant recall any great plays of his. Ben won 2 super bowls and was the face of his franchise. He's a tier above the other 2 and to me thats just plain obvious

Flacco

How you could mention Arron rogers but not Big Ben is ridiculous. Same caliber. Similar stats. Similar accolades.

Eli Manning should not be a HOFer based on his horrendous consistencyl and win/loss record as QB, but unfortunately because of name, media presence, and iron man quality he's going to get in. But on pure talent he's not a HOFer.

Rapists should not be elected to the hall of fame.

Big Ben has two rings and great all time stats. No idea how you consider him in the tier with Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan and below Brees.

Ryan has a reputation for blowing leads imo. Not just SB51 and 33-0, I swear the falcons had at least 10 games where they were 95+% likely to win and still lost under Ryan.

Matt Ryan nor Stafford should get in. I never saw them as some of the greatest QBs ever if our time.

Eli should not get in but he is only getting in off his name , and winning 2 rings vs peak brady in epic fashion.

Rivers should get in but he won’t because he doesn’t have a ring but he actually was one of the best QBs ever.

If they had started and finished their careers 10 years earlier with the same stats , it’d be a yes but we’re in a different era now guys you gotta factor that in.

I thought Big Ben was a no brainer. Pivotal part of 2 SB's. Ryan and Rivers were good but not HOF worthy. It's ok that not every good QB get's into the hall.

They just need to be more strict. Big Ben as 2 rings and a ton of winning seasons, he’s in. Ryan and Rivers are not in. They were just good QBs for a while.

Ben and Philip are in.

Eli Manning is making it before Rivers and Ryan that’s for sure.

QB HOF status needs to be disconnected from how many superbowls they've won. No other position is tied to it and frankly some QBs that are in the HOF because of it were in part carried there by their team.

Retired QBs: Brady, Brees, Big Ben

HoF maybes: Eli, Rivers, Ryan

Active players: Ayahuasca man and that 28-year-old dude in KC.

Canton is usually lenient with QBs.

Be a season MVP or have rings, and it helps to have some SB MVPs too.

Brady had both (3/7/5)

Brees (0/1/1)

Big Ben (0/2/0)

Eli (0/2/2)

Ryan (1/0/0, should have been 1/1, goddamnit)

Rodgers (4/1/1)

Mahomes (2/2/2)

PR17 has been a statistical anomaly. Maybe in 10 years, he'll make it.

But they gotta induct first those who are eligible and worthy but haven't been inducted for some reason.

I personally think Big Ben is a lock; 2004 Rookie of the year and the youngest QB to win the Superbowl, he virtually owns all of the Pittsburgh Steelers franchise passing records. He's 3rd all-time in 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives, he's got 3 AFC championship trophies, and won 2 Superbowls. The Steelers never suffered a losing season with him under centre, and before the Mahomes craze, Big Bens brand of backyard football lit up highlight reels. Yes, he never had any MVP's or double digit pro bowl appearances, but when it came to winning games Big Ben was special, and I think the voters will see it that way.

The NFL HOF will always suffer because its annual requirement for a minimum number of inductees opens the door to the good versus the great. There are years MLB has zero new members, and I'm just fine with that.

Matt Ryan gets in eventually i think. MVP, SB appearance, 2 NFC championship games, all-pro, OROY plus 14 years in 1 place.

Rivers has none of that except longevity so I don’t think he does.

Eli belongs in this discussion. One of only five players ever to win multiple Super Bowl MVPs. Also has the raw numbers and one of the longest starting streaks ever

Ryan and Rivers not winning a chip will keep them out even if i think both have a good case for sneaking in

Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Big Ben are all pretty much locks in my opinion. Quarterbacks with two Super Bowls pretty much always make it in. Eli Manning will probably get in as well.

Rivers is a maybe. And Ryan is a no.

Big ben is most likely id say highly likely i think rivers is questionable and matt ryan not likely imo

Matt Ryan is the Hall of fame line.

If you had a career better than Matt Ryan you are a Hall of famer

If you had a caree worse than Matt Ryan you are not a Hall of Famer

Matt Ryan is in the same group of guys like Boomers Eaison, Donovan McNabb, Rich Gannon, Randall Cunningham. Great QBs who were just on the Precipice of Hall of Fame but not quite there

Although I do think it's possible they may get in a senior committee hall of fame.