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Kind of funny...because the coaching tree he was a part of the Parcells coaching tree was pretty fruitful with Belichick, Coughlin, and Sean Payton.

I’d assume he doesn’t mentor these guys. He just tells them to focus on their job and leave him the F alone. Big difference between coordinator and coach, also. Mcdaniels is a terrible coach but good coordinator. There’s half a dozen of these genius’ out there who can’t control/coach an entire team.

They try to import the Belichick persona/Patriot Way and it never works out. They don't take what they've learned to develop their own leadership and culture. They just try to be Belichick and phonies don't last in this league. Maybe they'd still be bad, but they never had a chance.

pats fans are this miserable?

dam.

Tom Brady didn’t go with them

Because of Tom Brady. Tom Brady was always the cog that kept the machine running.

Without him? Well, we've seen the results.

Because his assistants attempt to recreate his style with other teams but without the credibility of 6 rings to back it up.

his style is antiquated and Brady made him

Maybe because Belichick was never that good either and was a Brady merchant?

Because they don't have Tom Brady. BB is well under .500 w/o Brady.

Well, to be able to coach and build a team like what the Patriots WERE, you need one of the best QBs that ever played the game buy in on your methods.

Only like 20% of all NFL coaches have winning career records

Because they didn’t get Tom Brady as part of their severance

Bill himself is fruitless without Brady...

Because his protégés didn’t have Tom Brady playing QB?

Because he is not really a good coach without Brady.

People being a leader doesn't mean they're also a teacher. There's often overlap but not for everyone. I'm sure a lot of people under him more or less skated by on his direction of things and didn't really glean much of it, which you could say might be a bad quality of BB but what the fuck does he care if the team is winning rings?

Could it be that winning in the NFL requires a combination of talent AND coaching?

Sometimes former players just don't pan out as decent coaches...

I just don't think Bill really tries to coach his coaches the way Andy does, I think Bill more leads by example. And you can't lead a team the way Bill does without having the respect he does.

Because the "Patriot Way" is about doing your job. So these guys have no clue how to do the other aspects of a HC job.

Because none of the other coaches had the most important part of Bellichick's model - Tom Brady.

Why does everybody off his coaching tree have awful interpersonal skills? They beef with players,media,and front offices.

A Poison Tree

I was angry with my friend;

I told my wrath, my wrath did end.

I was angry with my foe:

I told it not, my wrath did grow.

And I waterd it in fears,

Night & morning with my tears:

And I sunned it with smiles,

And with soft deceitful wiles.

And it grew both day and night.

Till it bore an apple bright.

And my foe beheld it shine,

And he knew that it was mine.

And into my garden stole,

When the night had veild the pole;

In the morning glad I see;

My foe outstretched beneath the tree.

-William Blake

I think it's because owners and gm's saw these guys on belicheck's crew and thought well, they must be good look how much the patriots were winning.

The assistants move on to head coaching positions and then realize they were ok as an assistant couch but had nowhere the head to be at the top..

Because all time greats are excellent at obscuring flaws within a system. Bill is one of the best we've ever seen at coaching defenses so the DC cannot be gauged objectively and Brady similarly cloaked offensive ineptitude for years.

Not all that surprising that an organization that was effectively a two person brain trust has failed to bear successful fruit.

Most likely because they try to set the same standards Bill does while not having the respect Bill has, and obviously having Brady for a long time also helps.

It's like the Garden of Eden, except you really DON'T want to eat the fruit

Because it was all Tom Brady

They weren't allowed to take Tom Brady with them.

Tom Brady

Because Bill has decades of experience and they don’t. Not everyone who knows a lot can teach well. His understudies try to create an incomplete facsimile of his approach — the hardassed personality or old Pats retreads in the roster — which doesn’t work. You don’t go with a guy who’s 1% Bill or 40% Bill. Either it’s Bill or something completely different.

Because every Bellichick disciple tries to be a more hardass, over-the-top version of him without proving jackshit to back it up.

That and being assholes to important members of the team / the team in general.

Because he isn't a good coach, a good teacher, or a good leader.

Belichik was really, really good at finding guys that are football smart even though they aren't great leaders. Belichik is a great football mind, but his best talent might be managing talent.

They're more focused on trying to emulate Bill and the Patriot Way without fundamentally understanding their players and the situations they're coming into.

You don't build a culture by ripping from what you came from and injecting it. You examine your environment, identify those key concepts and beliefs that are core to your group, and pull from your past experiences to build something greater.

That's easier said than done, but it seems like a lot of coaches that fail don't ever do that and just want to mimic what they come from.

Cause they don’t take Tom Brady with them.

Ima go with maybe an out the box take here. BB knows how to talk with people. Whether it’s young black dudes or older white guys everyone in the middle does not matter he can connect with people. Maybe it’s something he’s learned or it’s innate. However he can be a dick of a coach cause as a person he can be funny,relatable and decent.

His protégés completely fail at this. They try to be Belichick the coach whose a dick all the time and this why their players tend to hate them. They can’t connect with their guys

Bill knows how to do team-specific gameplans and his assistants never figured that out.

All of the ego. None of the success or history. They aren't Bill in any way, shape, or form. Yet they seem to come into these teams that hire them and expect to be able to run it like Bill. They fail to realize that the players put up with Bill because he's got a proven history of success, and the rings to show for it. McDaniels, Patricia, O'Brien.. don't.

Not just Brady but they didn’t have Ernie Adams. Having a savant as you best friend doing football research for you is quite helpful. Bill hasn’t been the same since Ernie retired

He strikes me as a guy who explains to his employees how to do their job, and nothing more.

Because you can’t always fall ass- backwards into having Tom Brady.

Belichick failed in Cleaveland, succeeded in NE with Brady, and is failing with not-Brady.

This isn’t difficult.

Because they didn’t have their own Tom Brady in their roster, imo.

At this point his system doesn’t work unless you have the reputation of Belichick. Hes likely not ever going to have a chance to show if he can do it with a good QB (and not GOAT) because he’ll be retired before he gets one.

Because most of them were stuck with poorly run franchises.

Crennel: Cleveland

Mangini: Jets, then Cleveland

Patricia: Detroit

Judge: Giants (Dave Gettleman era)

McDaniels: C'mon, He went 8-8 with Kyle Orton as his starting QB. The Raiders have been a clusterfuck for pretty much 20 years now

Daboll is TBC

Flores has essentially been blackballed from the league, but he did pretty well in Miami

O'Brien's problem wasn't a bad coach, he was a bad GM, just like his mentor

I will forever be on the boat that Brady made Belichick, not the other way around.