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[–] RepresentativeMail9@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is no way going to be as open as people hope it will be.

[–] repeatrep@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

it will be just as open as the minimum that the eu stipulates. apple has no incentive to go further

[–] Monopoly8600@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Not too sure. If that is their strategy, the EU is only incentivized to add more requirements and maybe beyond as Apple isn’t showing any good will. Might be a better strategy to do this properly

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[–] Jumpyer@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

A gentle reminder that “sideloading” is optional and probably won’t be easy to activate, so your mom is safe.

Scammers could already find a way in by using certificates or something like that.

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[–] MrSadieAdler@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The EU is a dictatorship at this point. Every dictator looks good the first few years. People are just overlooking it because they’re part of the problem. How can people not see how risky this is? Apple “should be forced” to do these things, right? What’s next on the agenda?

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[–] MrSadieAdler@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Buy andr🦠id

[–] PM_ME_UR_A4_PAPER@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (9 children)

How do I make my phone think I’m in the EU?

[–] FlightlessFly@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Zero chance without jailbreak but then you don’t need it. You might be able to fool a single app into believing a false location but an entire OS that has access to GPS, local WiFi details etc….

[–] seweso@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Depends what the EU stipulates. Don't they require iPhones which are sold in the EU to abide by these rules? Or like you said phones which reside in the EU?

[–] ludvikskp@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I bought a phone in Japan and I live in the EU. While in Japan, the camera shutter sound couldn’t be turned off as per local law. Then when I came home it was silent as normal. Then upgraded to a new phone and old one is making the shutter sound again without a SIM in it. So it both detects which market it’s from and where it’s used.

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[–] _Mido@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Good luck.

https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/25/ios-16-restrict-features-based-on-location/

Based on our findings, the new system internally called “countryd” was silently added with iOS 16.2, but is not being actively used for anything so far. It combines multiple data such as current GPS location, country code from the Wi-Fi router, and information obtained from the SIM card to determine the country the user is in.

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[–] ludvikskp@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I bought a phone in Japan and I live in the EU. While in Japan, the camera shutter sound couldn’t be turned off as per local law. Then when I came home it was silent as normal. Then upgraded to a new phone and old one is making the shutter sound again without a SIM in it. So it both detects which market it’s from and where it’s used.

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[–] troglonoid@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m guessing they base it on your credit card associated with your account. I’ve had credit cards from different countries, and using one from a specific country will make the App Store (and some services) swap to that country, independent of where I am physically. Although this can be a different situation.

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[–] TheMysticHD@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Move to the EU

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[–] StopwatchGod@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hopefully I can also run Mac apps on iPad when proper sideloading is enabled.

[–] CreepyZookeepergame4@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

UTM with CPU accelerated virtualization (like on Mac). I only want this.

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[–] REDOREDDIT23@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Really hope this comes to the UK

[–] ganymedes01@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

something something ”brexit”, something something ”we dont want to follow the EU”

[–] ReyvCna@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You guys choose to leave the EU

[–] Pallortrillion@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

52% did. The 48% want side loading.

[–] fntd@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would it? Do you have any legislation that would demand it?

[–] REDOREDDIT23@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You think you’re being smart but the UK still follows most of the EU laws and regulations as someone said below. One thing about the big “we want to leave the EU” bollocks is that most laws from the EU remained or had their own UK version created lol

[–] KimchiMaker@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Sunak promised to abolish them all :)))

Then… he didn’t.

Because it would be an absolutely mental thing to do without spending years sorting it all out lol. 🤡 🤡 🤡

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[–] chris_redz@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

How does sideloading benefit end customer? What are the risks? Why was this not allowed before?

[–] _Mido@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

AD 1 - more freedom, more apps available and possibly lower prices for apps.

AD 2 - I don't want to go into that rabbit hole but if you stick to Appstore, nothing changes for you.

AD 3 - less money for Apple

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[–] thewildbeej@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Sideloading apps used to have this nifty word called downloading. They made it seem like anything not from the App Store was dangerous. Just like when you download an app on your computer they’ll ask you if it’s okay and sometimes you’ll have to go into settings and provide permissions to allow it to download. Will you be able to download some silly shit? Yes. Can you download harmful stuff. Theoretically yes. But is that a problem on macs? Not really no. What it does allow you do to is go to the source of a program and downs load it from them. You can download things apple deems not what they want in the App Store (ad blockers etc) it also allows potential developers to sell apps to individuals without the App Store tax. It’s not good or bad it just is the way it’s always been on a computer. So why not at least allow it with warnings like on mac.

[–] Famous_Ant_2825@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It benefits the end customer by giving him/her freedom. Freedom to enhance the experience or to kinda mess it up btw. But still freedom. The risk well if the person is stupid and install shady ass apps then you can imagine the risks. Although I’m sure Apple will still restrict the possible effects on the OS/phone I guess. iOS will still be “closed” compared to android. Not allowed because Apple knows that most people know nothing about tech, risks and are plain dumb. So it’s easier to restrict to avoid issues than to open possibilities. When I was younger I had a jailbroken iPhone and tbh it helped me a lot at some point (I broke the mute switch and I was able to download a JB app for $1 to replicate the mute switch, wasn’t possible natively) and enhanced the experience (multi tasking before it was possible, all apps for free and so on). Nowadays I just don’t care though

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[–] fntd@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Can‘t wait for my father to enable it, ruin his phone by downloading and installing dodgy shit and I am the one who has to fix it again.

[–] thewildbeej@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Your pops is tech savvy enough to know how to use sideloading but not understand what not to download? Very slim niche he has cornered

[–] Wolfram_And_Hart@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Right? I work in IT, I can’t tell you the number of “my android don’t work because I downloaded something I saw on an ad” tickets we get.

90% of people don’t realize they buy the iPhone for the walled garden.

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[–] ripkobe3131@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If I go to an EU country, will my phone allow me to side load. And if I come back will the app I downloaded still work? Or does the phone have to be bought in a EU country

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[–] roshanpr@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] Rich_hard1@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Soon as you accept the agreement to sideload and endanger the security of the iphone iOS, it’ll also damage the resale market. phones with it enabled may be harder to sell on or upgrade surely?

[–] danieleloscozzese@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It’s not a contract with the devil, it’ll be software-controlled and resettable.

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[–] OrganicAccountant87@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Crazy how they got away with it for so many years. The idea that you can pay for an product and still don't own it needs to die

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[–] TheNinjaTurkey@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I wish this would happen in the US but my government always sides with companies over people.

[–] mehdotdotdotdot@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It’s the capitalist state

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[–] andreasheri@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Europe > murican freedom

[–] HoboButtPlugFairy@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That sounds amazing but can someone knowledgable explain to me like the dumb girl I am does this mean that I’ll be at higher risk of malware tracking and spamming?

[–] thewildbeej@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

If you’re worried about that only stick to downloading apps from the App Store. It’ll still be there but everyone who feels comfortable downloading apps from the entire internet also has that option now. Just like on a Mac or PC. You download anything there from adobe or whatever site you need an piece of software from. But the App Store also has content. It’s just now if I want to download something that apple refuses to allow on the App Store like ad blockers or whatever it may be that’s an option too. Some people might download something wrong but mac has done a pretty good job of not only making that difficult with checks but they also have malware protection

[–] Direct_Card3980@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Gurman said Apple will introduce a "highly controlled system" that lets EU users install apps hosted elsewhere.

https://media.tenor.com/images/87732ea95ee70a9fc4a48054d3db7339/tenor.gif

I’m sure the EU will be completely fine with Apple “highly controlling” the relationship between the user and developer after the DMA anti-trust regulation is in effect. This must be the marketing they’d like to convey to maintain an image of security.

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[–] rwbrwb@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If more people switch from Android to iOS by buying an 1300€ device, how many missed 30% cuts of 1€ Apps are compensated?

I say, Apple wins in the end.

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[–] softriceking001@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Scammers and id thieves about to get rich.

[–] Unban_Ice@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (8 children)
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