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Source: https://t.me/operativnoZSU/124126

Translation:

The occupiers densely mined the fields in the Zaporizhzhia region

TM-62 anti-tank mines are installed in a checkerboard pattern with an interval of just one meter from each other.

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[–] Whaler_Shaver@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Despite these circumstances people complain from the comfort of their armchairs that the counteroffensive is going too slow.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

The colors on the map need to change so that I know the big red arrow that I drew on the map is working.

[–] Styxie@feddit.nl 11 points 2 years ago

It's going to take a lot of brave people and a lot of money to demine Ukraine. Luckily, Ukrainians are very brave and they have some extremely rich friends.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Can cluster bombing the entire field detonate all of the mines to clear the path? Might take a lot of bombs but it's gotta be faster than de-mining by hand.

[–] randombullet@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

I think that there's a 5% failure rate of cluster bombs. So if you drop a few, there will be a few UXOs still laying around.

Best bet is to use a MICLIC or those mine sniffing rats.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Yes, and there's a reason the recommended placement distances, if one of these goes off it's going to sympathetically setoff others.

The easy way is det cord jammed into defused grenades to make a ghetto mclc and well bravery mixed with a bit of stupidity wouldn't hurt.

[–] Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

That was my initial thought as well. Or if you needed a clear path across, specifically bomb one out so you could be sure you aren't walking through that. I have no idea how practical that would be though.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago

This is a nightmare.
The problem isn't the antitank mines, which obviously aren't even buried. The problem is whether antipersonnel mines are buried around them.

If concussion can set these off, maybe they can be remote detonated by a sniper firing at them? That would in theory get rid of all the AT mines so you could send in a demining vehicle to remove the AP mines.

But that's a slow and expensive process. This looks like a legacy of war Ukraine is going to be dealing with for decades.

[–] zabadoh@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

According to a quick Google, the only thing that detonates the plastic explosive in TM-62s is a shockwave, which is how the primer detonates the mine.

So something that generates shockwaves violent enough to get through their casing over a wide area might work on all the exposed mines.

It might not be as effective on mines that are buried.

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

MRAP go brrrrrrrrr

[–] petrescatraian@libranet.de 3 points 2 years ago

@LaFinlandia The density of these is so big that they don't even bother covering them. Or maybe they simply used one of those mine-laying vehicles that drops them in series on a conveyor belt or something