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[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It's wild that some countries doesn't consider it rape unless violence is used. Fucked up world.

[–] 5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.de 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Hot take: Rape is violence, no matter what.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I understand what you're trying to say, but the counter argument is that rape could occur through coercion or deception.

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] gullible@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No clue what the sentence severity is, as compared to rape, but stealthing should probably be considered sexual assault rather than rape. In my jurisdiction, sentence length is identical for both but elsewhere it can vary.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's unprotected sex without consent. Don't see why it shouldn't be rape.

[–] gullible@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I want you to picture a jury. You have to convince them that unprotected sex through subterfuge is specifically rape on top of convincing them that unprotected sex was had. Why not just skip a step, punish the same, and be done with it?

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think the problem is this is "legally defining"

So a hot take just wouldn't hold up in court. This is about pushing it further than just a hot take.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah. That’s the only attitude that makes the French legal definition of rape barely tolerable.

France, for instance, considers that rape can be considered to have occurred when “an act of sexual penetration or an oral-genital act is committed on a person, with violence, coercion, threat or surprise.”

Far from ideal, but it leaves enough room for interpretation that a decent judge can work with it. Unfortunately, that same leeway can also allow a shitty judge to let scumbags off easy.

[–] charliespider@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Right... Like: "it's not a bank robbery if you don't use a gun!"

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Robbery does require violence though.

[–] charliespider@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Does it? Quietly hand a note to the bank teller that says: "this is a robbery, put $10000 in a bag", then calmly walk out when they give it to you.

One could argue that there was violence implied, but that doesn't mean that violence was used.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah the threat of violence makes it robbery (eg if you have a banana in your pocket but say you have a gun), just like terrorism can be either violence or the threat of violence to achieve a political goal. However, a bank heist would not be robbery, just like burglary or pickpocketing is not robbery.

[–] hersh@literature.cafe 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This probably depends on jurisdiction. I also suspect "violence" in a legal sense is different from the everyday sense. I'm not a lawyer.

From the US FBI's web site:

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines robbery as the taking or attempting to take anything of value from the care, custody, or control of a person or persons by force or threat of force or violence and/or by putting the victim in fear.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Yes I did gloss over the "threat of violence" part and just included it in general as "violence".

[–] livus@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

So two of these things aren't violence. One is threats and one is making people afraid.

Which are two of the scenarios that the protestors say the rape laws should be made to cover.

[–] 520@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Compactor9679@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Lol You need a letter now signed and everything? Lol Men should just leave this places what a BS