this post was submitted on 25 Nov 2023
0 points (50.0% liked)

Apple

111 readers
1 users here now

A place for Apple news, rumors, and discussions.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Hey everyone, genuine discussion here as fair as possible, not trying to start a war or anything 😂

So I have been an Android user for more than the last 10 years and have seen all advancements from Android since version 2. I always respected the build quality and hardware of iPhone but iOS was so restricted you could basically do nothing with it.

Lately, both operating systems have hugely evolved and have reached a certain feature parity so I felt it was time for me to give a chance to the Apple side.

So I did it and moved from my last OnePlus Nord 2 phone to the latest iPhone 15 Pro Max. I know these phones belong to different categories but my discussion will concentrate mostly on the OS stuff so it won't matter.

What troubles me is that although iPhone is certainly a nice phone with good build quality, I keep trying to find reasons that would explain and make my switch worthy but on the contrary I constantly find things that annoy me and consider loss of functionality after the switch.

So I wanted to try and give a small summary of my pros and cons as fair as possible and have a discussion around what people think.

Let's start with the cons:

  • my work uses Google Workspace accounts. Apple calendar does not fully support Google calendar syncing. What I mean is that PUSH is not supported to get immediately new events from the server but a fetch is done (by the app) every once in a while to get the updates. What is worse is that by default this is set to happen only when the phone is plugged in and on WiFi, which means that you sync stuff once a day... There is the option to make it more frequent up to 15 minute periods. However, even this makes you miss last minute changes that are not synced to your calendar. So this is definitely a no go for me, leading me to use instead.....the Google Calendar app which has no such limitations.

  • next is the photo sharing with iCloud. You can only share them with people that have Apple devices which is really annoying because my girlfriend does not have one and we used to have a lot shared albums on Google Photos. So again, I ended up using Google Photos on iOS.

  • the keyboard... My native language is Greek. Starting from the fact the for some reason Apple decided that they wanted to change the official qwerty outline of Greek keyboard by removing the final s (ς) from its place, which creates a different key placement that constantly leads to typing errors when you are used to the regular outline. Note that the ipad correctly has the outline, only IPhone doesn't. But more importantly, word correction is a nightmare. If you enter an unknown word, it never learns it and constantly tries to correct it. You have to do the whole process of going into settings and adding a word abbreviation for each unknown word... This is really bad... So I installed swift keyboard which just allows you to tap onto an unknown word and it is added to the dictionary.

  • iOS is missing some nice gimmicks such as showing your palm to the camera to get a selfie which is really more useful than the timer when trying to get a group photo

  • not showing business caller IDs in dialer!!! This is really bad. Most business have their listings on Google and Google Maps. So on Android you directly get their ID when you or they call you. I would expect this from IPhone as well and was really disappointed to see it is not there.

  • Does not support Miracast which is far more widely supported on TVs than AirPlay

  • Siri is quite more restricted compared to Google Assistant

  • Really miss my fast charging where I could charge the phone in 20 mins

  • can't easily share a WiFi password with non apple devices as done with the QR code sharing in Android

  • No actual file system when you connect it to the computer to easily share files with the phone. This was also really useful to be able to quickly use your phone as USB storage

  • No sideloading of apps!!! That was also a hit for me... You cannot have apps like ad blocking YouTube or whatever you want like you could in Android

  • Notifications seem to require more effort to work with VS how they work in Android

Now about the pros:

  • Instant and effortless camera usage

  • it does play really well with other Apple devices with features like Continuity, hand off, sharing etc...

  • iMessage (although not much for me because huge majority of my contacts are on Android). Again I believe Google RCS is getting close.

  • Backup. I really like that when you actually backup the iPhone it also backs up app data meaning that upon restore you can completely resume your work. Only thing needed to set up again is FaceID and apple pay. Android cannot do that natively. However they have started to implement APIs for apps to backup their data on Google so apps that do this have also their data restored during the process. So it's up to the devs to catch up.

  • Video quality on apps. Apps that use the camera and can fully access it's potential is really a big difference compared to Android where due to the fragmentation and no support of each different vendor you get a really bad quality when using the 3rd party apps. There are attempts to unify this under certain APIs in Android as well but it will certainly take a while.

  • FaceTime call quality is stunning. Have never been able to have such good quality calls using any other app whatsoever.

  • I would also say update support but this is not that much anymore with more established brands catching up with this. Apple offers 5 years of updates. Samsung offer 4 major updates and 5 years of patches and Google with the new Pixel 8 years!

So there certainly are some good points according to my experience. However, these are more nice to have things as opposed to functionality loss of the bad points which hurt my user experience.

What's your take on all of the above? And most importantly for those who have switched from Android, what won you over?

(page 2) 36 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] CRothg@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

MKBHD put out a great video recently outlining the strengths and weaknesses of each platform based on what you value from your phone. I largely agree with his assessment. The mainstream slab-style smart phone product category has reached maturity as hardware innovations have plateaued and Android and iOS are the closest they’ve ever been to feature parity. The folding phone form factor is still in its nascent stages and is an exciting frontier of innovation, but their high prices make them out of reach for most consumers. These are the factors that are important to me and the reasons why I stick with an iPhone.

1: Longevity. I’ve had my iPhone XS for going on 5 years and I’m still receiving the latest software updates, not just security patches. Samsung and Google have promised to start offering this kind of long term support for their latest phones, but they simply don’t have the proven track record yet. Meanwhile, my phone is showing signs of age, buts it’s still responsive, runs the most up to date versions of apps, and is completely usable day to day.

2: Ecosystem. The longevity of Apple products in general leads me to purchase more Apple products. I have Macs that are more than 10 years old that are still functional for daily use. I have an iPad, an Apple TV, my family uses Macs and iPhones too. While an Android device might bring some novelty, it wouldn’t make sense to try to integrate with the rest of my digital ecosystem.

3: Trust. I fully admit that I may simply be a sucker for Apple’s PR and marketing around privacy and security, but as far as evil mega-corporations are concerned, I trust Apple far more than I trust Google.

[–] Conflict-Recent@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah I agree. I have always had Google pixel phones for many many many years. I’ve had my 13 Pro Max for more than a year and a half and I have an iPad 9 and AirPod Pro2. I’ve had Google pixel three XL, Google pixel five, the phones were decent quality. The software I was always on the beta program which even in production level had quite a bit of bugs on it unfortunately. On Apple’s beta program the bugs I experience are very small very mute.

I will say that as far as applications go, iOS applications are much more polished. They were smoother, the gestures in my opinion are smoother, is faster with iMessage. Sure Apple to Google you still need the old SMS technology until Apple adopts RCS next year, but that’s obvious.

I use Google Photos primarily still on my iPhone and my iPad and it works for all asleep. As far as workspace goes, you’re right, if you Google workspace then you would have to use Google calendar. for my job we use Office 365, so the Apple system calendar sinks beautifully with my work calendar and my Google calendar and I have no complaints about that. They’re always third-party Calendar alternatives in the App Store so you can always check out an alternative none iOS system app if you need to. As far as the longevity of iPhone versus android, I find a very interesting that Google just started advertising seven years of major OS updates not just security updates. apples had this for almost ever. The build quality of my iPhone is in my opinion far better than my pixels were.

Do I miss anything from my older Google pixels? Well, at first I thought I would, but my wife even asked me if I honestly do; I don’t actually miss anything from my Google pixels. Just getting used to the Apple ecosystem which is much more flexible and today’s date and age and it ever has been in the past thankfully.

I will say that android auto versus CarPlay, of course Google copied Apple for the UI of the infotainment system. But when I had android auto, it was horrible. Google Assistant barely worked, and the system was just not good. Apple CarPlay works so much better.

Granted, I am not a heavy user. I’m not a gamer, I have a Sudoku game on my phone and my iPad which works fine. I use my iPad as a streaming TV for Sling TV and YouTube etc. etc. which works beautifully in my house. The battery life is phenomenal. The cameras are phenomenal. Etc. etc. as far as Software ecosystem support is very polished. I’m not taking anything away from Google in the pixels nowadays, but there were certain UI elements of android that I didn’t like. For example, on the home screen when you unlock the phone you still have a bar on the bottom I don’t know why you need that. Most people don’t really care but I always did care. The iPad/iPhone don’t have that. And you don’t really need that. Apple also does dark mode way better than Google does. Google does a dark mode, where is Apple does a pure OLED black mode.

[–] dosndkna@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Video Lite is a thing buddy, you only get one add when you start the app then you have youtube premium for 39 hours.

[–] UrLilBrudder@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Apple Watch and AirDrop

[–] taxis-asocial@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Instant and effortless camera usage

You have this as a pro but it’s my main con. iPhone photos are now overprocessed for my taste.

However I am unwilling at this moment to give up the effortless integration with my Apple Watch, Mac, iPad, etc.

If I didn’t have those things, I’d heavily consider and Android

[–] 3BEP6_@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Nothing anymore, to be honest, just the investment into the ecosystem.

[–] Crack_uv_N0on@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I used to use Android OS phones. I’m comfortable with my iPhone.

As far as Apple’s Calendar vs. Google Calendar, Apple’s Calendar is not a factor. I just use my Google Calendar app as my default calendar. On the odd occasion that I need a reminder that is not available in the App, I go to the Google Calendar website which I have bookmarked in the DuckDuckGo app on my iPad. After I set the reminder in website, it quickly syncs into the app. This only comes up when I want a reminder to occur simultaneously with an earlier event’s reminder whose time is not conducive to what is available in the app. I will almost always set multiple reminders to help me remember.

[–] BaldEagleNor@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Huh, fast charge? Even the fast charge on my 12PM is insane. 20 minutes should give you plenty juice. Are you using a powerful enough adapter?

[–] mbrevitas@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Some recent Android phones have much faster charging, like well over 100 W (as opposed to, what, 17 W on iPhones?), full charge 0-100% in 15 minutes or less. Does anyone really need that? Probably not, but it’s there.

[–] Ahleron@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I have only had Android devices and I don't see what the fuss is about with the fast charging. I can only think of a single moment within the last 5 years that would have been helpful, and even then, I was fine with my charger at the time (17 watt - I was had a brief layover between flights and didn't get my phone plugged in until about 15 minutes before I needed to board). My Pixel 6 Pro has a max charging speed of 23w. It's more than fast enough for almost any scenario. I don't see why anyone would need to charge to full within 15 minutes. I mean...that's neat and all, but. when would I actually ever need that?

[–] SgtBaxter@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Sounds like a way to quickly deteriorate a battery.

[–] I_is_Captain_Obvious@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

What’s with people typing long ass novels for comments on here….ain’t nobody got time to read yalls 50,000 word opinions.

[–] mr_lab_rat@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It used to be simplicity up to around iOS 5 or 6.

But these days it’s as complex as Android but I still stick to Apple because now I’m used to it.

[–] cherrydesuka@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I find the ios very customizable imo. You can have it set to full straight brain rot mode or complete silence or business mode. The DND function is also amazing. You can choose which contacts can call and which can’t specifically on each mode. Whereas Android does not have that freedom

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] A7XfoREVer15@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

iPhone does everything I want it to, looks beautiful, and I’m familiar with the UI out of the box.

Yes I could learn Android, or I could customize Android to be just like iOS, but I do IT for a living and don’t want to troubleshoot when I’m off the clock.

[–] tupaquetes@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's actually really hard to customize Android to be just like iOS. I tried Android a few years ago expecting to be able to customize everything to make my perfect phone, but as it turns out most of the customization you get is extremely superficial.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] sonofblackbird@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

The calendar push is mostly a Google thing. Just like they do with mail. For all the crap they talk about equality they basically force you to use the Gmail and Google Calendar apps if you want push notifications. And that’s why I stopped using them. Microsoft or iCloud works much better.

[–] dhrandy@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
[–] VapidRapidRabbit@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
[–] Urbanistau@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I was about to swap to android for usb c. Thank god apple actually did it this year

[–] apollo-ftw1@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Trade in value

Traded my 12 mini (not even in perfect condition) for a 15 pro at verizon

[–] Terranical01@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
[–] NexiNext@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Besides side load what I want on an iPhone. Android didn’t do anything magical. Or better. Both make calls. Message. Not to each other tho. MMS cross iOS to android is shit. And have same apps for the most part. Less of a sell out on iOS than android.

But the biggest thing nobody talks about. iOS users are Apple user base. Android is mfg use base. It’s a crap shoot.

Now this is leaving side load and Roms for andoid their is little in the same what does what better.

The customer base is huge. Apple only makes money off people.

Android makes money of mfg for each phone they mfg.

[–] the_doughboy@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Once you’re all in on Apple it’s hard to get out of it. Or expensive at least.

[–] Beneficial-Appeal-98@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Apps. There are just too many iOS exclusives that I love and every time I’ve ever switched I hate how many apps I miss.

[–] Miserable_Escape8177@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

The interface. iOS is simple to use. Swipe up to unlock then swipe left to go through your home screen. The new Samsung phones look stunning but using them confuse the hell out of me. Theres different menus in each direction you swipe. I assume if I ever were to get one, I'd pick it up pretty quickly though.

Then theres the main one. All my other products are Apple. iPhone, iPad, iMac, and Watch. IT just doesn't make sense to change to a different brand, especially when I'm liking what I already have.

[–] SgtBaxter@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I dumped Android once iPhones adapted USB-C like my iPads, because I’m done with all of Androids bullshit. Samsung is garbage, I got burned by a few of their phones. I’ll never buy another Samsung product. The Nexus I had was great for about 3 months, then the defective memory controller slowed it to a crawl. Then the note that had the exploding battery problem. Haha yeah fuck Samsung with a chainsaw.

Pixels aren’t any better. Vanilla android is good but the hardware is shit. My 4a died in a year and the volume buttons never did work properly. My 6a keeps losing the eSIM, a known issue that they can’t solve. Got tired of buying a phone every damn year. Besides which their battery life is atrocious. Meanwhile I’ve been sitting here a few hours and my 15 Pro Max (bought it for the lidar) which was back at 100% from my MagSafe holder in the car is at 95%. My 6a would have been at 65-70 by now.

Speaking of the car, that was really what pissed me off enough to dump android. Something would update, and android auto would break. Waze stopped letting me do anything. Podcasts wouldn’t update. Shit got old quick. Meanwhile, my girlfriend would plug in her iPhone and it always worked flawlessly. Now Waze works again. I swear the google apps work better in iOS than they did on my pixel.

[–] cwsjr2323@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I switched to iPhone 14 Plus in March as it was the then Apple’s flagship. For some things, I still use my android Samsung phone and tablet on WiFi. Can you do something similar?

[–] Brilliant_Eagle9795@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Android is run by Google which is good enough reason for me to steer clear of it.

[–] RandomDude71094@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
  1. Ability to separate home and app screens. Do not like Apple's everything on the homescreen approach. My android homescreen is clean and customized with my most needed app icons and folders such that I hardly ever need to navigate and scroll through multiple app screen pages where I keep my less used apps.

  2. USB stick like drag and drop file management on plugging in phone to a windows laptop.

  3. Downloading mp3 files, or for that matter any file, from the internet. (No, I don't care about spotify. And yes, I know the security risks of doing this and I am prepared to take responsibility for it. I do not need to be treated like a child.)

  4. Call recording without announcing it to the other person (Yup its a thing on Android. In my country there are legitimate ways to do this because its legal and in others there is always sideloading. And please spare me the holier than thou invasion of privacy BS. We all have been in situations where we wish we could have recorded a conversation).

  5. Installing FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) apps from the F-Droid store. Related point - Accessing multiple app stores.

  6. Emulators! Need I say more?

I cannot in all seriousness consider an iphone unless these features are somehow made avialable, which I do not see happening.

[–] machete777@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I'm choosing IOS over Android simply because I'm too invested into the Apple ecosystem now and the seemless connect ion between all the Apple Devices is really nice and practital to me.

[–] Acceptable-Piccolo57@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I took a photo off someone’s S22 the other day, the speed was shocking, took a few seconds! That seems to be a new thing for android, my s8 was brilliant.

Reliability and the watch are the main things locking me in, the pixel and the flip look really nice hardware wise, but android feels like it takes more work to get working for me

[–] mbrevitas@alien.top 0 points 2 years ago

I think in day-to-day use they’re pretty equivalent. I agree with most of what you say, except I don’t consider being able to choose between third-party apps and services (Google Calendar and Gmail, Amazon Photos or Google Photos) and Apple’s own that are more exclusive to Apple hardware to be a con; if anything, it’s a pro. But in everyday use, I don’t care much about the difference. Mostly, I bought an iPhone when I finally wanted a flagship to last many years (and Android phones at the time were still not great at long-term support), and I like the experience of using it and don’t see a reason to change.

[–] Lance-Harper@alien.top 0 points 2 years ago

people always forget privacy, built design, 5+ support, and the famous: it just works.

iPhone 15 pro + AirPods Pro 2, you're set up for very high standards for a long time. add the Apple Watch to it, an iPad Pro, a MacBook... right now, I'm typing on a Side Car'ed iPad, whilst music is airplay to my HomePod, after I was FaceTiming with my family via the Apple TV using the phone as a camera on a MagSafe support, a FaceTime call I first picked up on the watch whilst parking my car.

It's only after that I realised **how high the bar for android to beat** and that we couldn't imagine how fluid it'd get 10 years ago.

All of that private, secured, high quality and it just works all up over the air, MagSafe or USB c.

Android in the current state of the hardware cannot never beat that.

load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›