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So I have a bunch of home automation projects I've been tinkering with weather related. One of which is an air quality sensor that determines when the air quality is bad with the intention of displaying some visual notifications around the house. I've been working on the coding for it and currently have it sitting on my desk in my home office. My most recent addition to it was having it graphing the data out to a webpage on my home network so I could see the change over time. The day I finished it and started testing was the day before Thanksgiving, my niece, 14 years old, decided she wanted to spend the night to hang out with her cousin, my son, since her mom and dad were coming over for Thanksgiving the next day anyways.

My home office is also our guest room, so the bed she sleeps in is in there. She went to bed about 10, I went downstairs to play some video games and have a couple of beers. I finally went to bed about 1 am, when I walked passed her room, I could hear her talking on the phone.

Next morning comes and after everyone is up and moving I decided to check on my air quality sensor and see how the data looked on the graph. As soon as I pulled up, something was really suspicious. It was basically a flat line with values between 1 and 5 most of the time, but at 1:05 am and 1:15 am it spiked twice to ~150. I took me a few seconds to put 1 and 1 together... "the only time I've ever seen it get that high was when food was cooking and there was smoke coming off the stove"..... ohhhhhhhhhh.

I called her into the room and showed her the paper and told her, "The only reason these numbers would show like this is there was some kind of smoke in the room". She said, "I don't smoke". I said, "Or something like a vape pen." Her face went white, "Are you going to tell my mom?" "No, but you need to give me the vape pen". So now I have a vape pen.

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[–] Menelatency@alien.top 4 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Stop being her friend and be an adult. Give the vape pen to her mom and explain the circumstances and let mom decide what, if anything, to do. At 14 she has no business vaping and you might just save her long term lung damage.

[–] HildemarTendler@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There's no reason to believe involving a parent is meaningful. Not every family situation is the same.

[–] Menelatency@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

There’s every reason to believe that. Perhaps not true in tiny minority of cases, but in western culture, in general, this is considered responsible parenting/adulting.

OP is free to make the decision they think is right. I am free to suggest an alternative course. You are free to point out the corner case that may apply.

[–] -SavageSage-@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If I were my kid, and some other adult knew my kid was vaping, I'd be PTFO at that adult first and foremost for withholding that information from me.

[–] mcfetrja@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Your kid is not my responsibility. And if you think the angry dad is going to get you anything more than laughed out of the room then that says more about your parenting abilities than anything else.

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[–] ContributionSuch2655@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Meh. I disagree

[–] KlutzyAd9112@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Every family is different. Get out of here. You’d also have a way bigger influence on them if you remain the cool trustworthy aunt/uncle. You can teach them lessons they will actually listen to if they trust you. Not so much if you’re a nark.

[–] BreakfastBeerz@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm so glad you posted this. That's exactly what my wife and I came to. We know she's got some more bad decisions coming up in the future, were hopeful she knows we are here for her if she needs it.

[–] AlphaDeltaF1@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You want to Make sure she knows she could call you if she’s ever in a jam. Like sick at a party or her ride home is drunk etc. You made the right move IMO it’s important she knows she could trust you.

[–] Menelatency@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My kid knows all these things but also knows if they fuck up they will have to own it and if they break the law we’re not going to make it go away for them. We will support them to the end of the world but that doesn’t mean they get out of trouble with no consequences. All this “be their friend” and “be the cool parent” BS just leads to kids who refuse to take responsibility for their misdeeds and give up at the first sign of resistance.

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[–] Bobsaid@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

My wife and I tried that... she ended up pregnant 3 months later and married to a 17 year old HS Senior BF with in the year. Sometimes kids to stupid things.

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[–] ShadowPouncer@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Not everyone has a great home life, and there are absolutely situations where the right answer, even for stuff that's quite serious, is to not say a word to the parents.

And that's ignoring the point everyone else is making regarding having someone that the kid trusts, so that when they screw up badly, they have someone that they are willing to call or tell about it, instead of trying to hide it from everyone, letting stuff get much, much worse.

A whole lot of this can be summed up like this: Sometimes, there are no good answers, and you only have the choice of different kinds and degrees of bad ones.

In this case, I think OP made exactly the right call.

Can she get another vape pen? I mean, let's be honest, she probably already has.

But now she knows that if she gets into a much worse situation, she has an adult who is both willing to call her on stuff, and who isn't going to do something to make it worse.

She's 14, that's both old and young enough to do stuff with people that she's not supposed to, in places that she's not supposed to be, and for it to turn into something bad in a hurry.

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[–] unicorn-boner@alien.top 3 points 2 years ago

Jesus Christ… all this just to find out she vapes. Congrats.

[–] tastygluecakes@alien.top 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Stop being the cool uncle. Nicotine isn’t something to fuck around with at a young age.

Give her the option: “you tell your Mom, or I do.”

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[–] woodsmithrich@alien.top 2 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I thought this was going the "she farted" direction, cause I've heard of those modifying air quality sensor values.

[–] MeisterX@alien.top 2 points 2 years ago

It does. Don't ask me how I know.

Okay fine I darted on it and it read it got a warning light and said unsafe for vulnerable populations. 🤣

[–] OzymandiasKoK@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It was always fun farting on the M8 chemical detectors. WHOOP WHOOP, WHOOP WHOOP!

[–] baw3000@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

See I know I'm not mature enough to not fart near the sensor to try and set it off.

[–] RICoder72@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah that was my thought too. It always makes me laugh when my dog is sleeping behind my chair in my office and I hear Alexa tell me the air quality has recently changed to poor. I love that dog but her farts are toxic.

[–] iMadrid11@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Farthing is not lady like. So she can’t use that as an excuse. Dudes are like whatever. I farted that’s why the air quality spiked.

[–] Shep_Alderson@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I agree. I’d expect a young lady to deal more in pennies than farthings.

[–] mummy_whilster@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
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[–] TheBeansDream@alien.top 2 points 2 years ago

“So now I have a vape pen”

HOME AUTOMATION FOR THE WIN

[–] arugulafanclub@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Personally I would have made her watch a documentary on how vape pens can lead to health issues like collapsed lungs and then I’d give her a test on it. Then I wouldn’t say anything. Other choice: she can turn herself in. Vaping is pretty dangerous and taking the pen may or may not help. She can likely just get a new one.

[–] unicyclegamer@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Sweet, how’s the pen hit?

[–] illusior@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

a bit unrelated, but did anyone find a good reliable CO2 sensor on ali? There are some fake ones out there.

[–] track0x2@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Please crosspost this to r/daddit

[–] firulaisonreddit@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

lol that’s a helluva way to come up on a vape pen

[–] FTS369@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Every cloud and all. Snitches don't get vape pens🤣

[–] LazyAd7772@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

give the pen to her parents, and tell them, she got no business vaping.

[–] Y-M-M-V@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can see both sides on telling her parents, but if you're not going to tell them, I would definitely pull her aside in the future and follow up on it. If you think she is continuing to vape, I woulh definitely tell them.

[–] BreakfastBeerz@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

There is a lot going on with her, she's fragile. It was Thanksgiving, I didn't want to put her mom in that state of mind. I talked to my wife about it and we both came to the conclusion that she's probably going to be making some more bad decisions and when she does, we want her to know she can trust us. We did have a conversation with her, much more than what I posted. I don't think we are going to change anything, but I hope it's been driven in that we love her and are here for her.

[–] Tuxedo_Muffin@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately disposables are cheap and pretty easy to get. And strong, like stronger than a cigarette. But I agree that it's better to be the trusted adult than the "tattle tale" adult. (Tattle tale from the perspective of the kid. You'd be well within your rights to tell the parents).

I have 9 nieces and nephews. And the ones who are old enough know that they can come to me with something that's embarrassing over their parents and I'll actually help and keep my mouth shut. I am the "cool" uncle, but I don't care about that. I'm just trying to be the adult that I never had growing up.

Heaven help me when they're old enough to get into "real" trouble! I'll be there for them, but I'm positive I'm gonna hear some shit, lol

[–] snrjames@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

You are an amazing Uncle and Aunt.

[–] gingerwheezy@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Kids always end up outing themselves. Either the parents will figure it out, or they mess up and leave one in a pocket for the laundry.

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[–] mysterytoy2@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

What sensor are you using?

[–] hackcasual@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Air quality sensors are scary, especially if you've got a good CO2 sensor. I can tell when my partner is home, food is cooked, window open, small group visiting, large group visiting, far-uvc sterilizers running, all from a few numbers from

[–] fallguy25@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I bought a Kidde Co2 monitor the other day which also monitors TVOC. It’s fun to watch it get mad when there is a whole lot of cooking going on (ie Thanksgiving)

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[–] OrganicCocaCola@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

When my old room mates used to smoke weed inside even though we had a balcony, my auto air filter would kick on high speed and show red… it sucks. I hate people that smoke inside.

[–] Stunning_Patience_78@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Take the pen and definitely tell her parents.

[–] OkBlueberry5847@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Take a hit of it, might calm you down a bit

[–] selltekk@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Good job not being a twat and narcing on her. Three rules for life, mind your business, don’t rat on your friends, and keep your mouth shut.

[–] stendsal@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

You're using your powers for evil. I remember when I was 14, cigarettes seemed so expensive. Kids these days have to get a pod and a device. Probably going to take a week to save up that much. I guess unless they have an OnlyFans page and now look at the bigger problem you caused here.

[–] MotoJJ20@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Don't be a dick

[–] flextov@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Pull it out in front of her and casually vape. Assert your dominance.

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[–] tosstoss42toss@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

When I worked this in a big office we did optimizations but the trends were kinda funny. My findings were that IAQ was good except at 10pm and that IEQ was good all day and we'll below decibel targets until 10pm.

My big take away was to make sure night time cleaning crews had breathing and hearing protection. I have no pen, no mask, no muffs!

[–] bluegre3n@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I'd love to read the post from her perspective too

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