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We are digital librarians. Among us are represented the various reasons to keep data -- legal requirements, competitive requirements, uncertainty of permanence of cloud services, distaste for transmitting your data externally (e.g. government or corporate espionage), cultural and familial archivists, internet collapse preppers, and people who do it themselves so they're sure it's done right. Everyone has their reasons for curating the data they have decided to keep (either forever or For A Damn Long Time (tm) ). Along the way we have sought out like-minded individuals to exchange strategies, war stories, and cautionary tales of failures.

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[–] Dogework@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yuuuup... another reason why I'm glad to have spent nearly the GDP of a small country on my own NAS and backup drives...

[–] ExperimentalGoat@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Between this and the ZFS bug, a lot of people are having a bad week

[–] Herkules97@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The people in there are acting like they only uploaded their files to Google Drive? Is "I'll dump all my files on that one place" a common practice? I know it might be mainstream, but one guy says his company's files were only on there..How is something so important to you just backed up into one place? Not even locally? These commenters in that support thread are very odd.

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[–] pommesmatte@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] C64128@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When you're performing a backup, a backup alarm (like on certain vehicles) should be sounding. That would remind you of what's happening.

[–] s_i_m_s@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ehh better to nag when something goes wrong rather than expecting me to notice something suddenly isn't there.

[–] r0ck0@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

...and on top of this, also something that repeatedly warns when a successful backup wasn't performed within the last X days.

As sometimes the issue is that the backup just never triggered to start in the first place.

Also saves time looking into old warnings that have since come good.

Sucks that so many systems don't do this. I ended up writing my own thing that wraps all my cronjobs etc, and sends the exitcode + output to one of my web servers. Every type of "checkin" has an expiry period so that it's marked as an "expired" form of failure if it just hasn't been heard from within X hours/days.

Currently got 870 things doing regular checkins. Really sucked handling that in the past just using emails, which didn't even get sent if the thing didn't run in the first place, and didn't tell me not to bother looking into it if it was already working again since the email sent.

[–] Bonafideago@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Two is one, and one is none.

[–] Celcius_87@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

What does this mean?

[–] sekyuritei@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Sweep the single point of failure, Johnny

[–] lysnnn@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wonder if this is just consumer accounts and if workspace accounts are affected or not.

[–] flecom@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think in the sysadmin sub some people were talking about data loss in their workspace accounts but I could be delusional

[–] Lysander_Propolis@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What does "consumer" and "workspace" mean in this context? "Google Workspace" pops up now whenever I start Gmail, so I figured it's just their new branding, but now I don't know what the difference is here.

[–] tsvk@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Paid organizational e-mail with a custom domain vs. free private e-mail with @gmail.com address.

[–] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Really interested when we, hopefully, read the press statement from them regarding how much data was lost, even temporarily!

[–] chrisprice@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Almost no chance of that ever happening.

[–] alfred725@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

time to double check my backups

[–] ThickSourGod@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do we know if there's a way for me to check if I've been effected without trying to download every file I have on Drive?

[–] leexgx@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Believe the files are just gone

[–] rrawk@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Not your keys, not your coins. Wait, where am I?

[–] CaseyGuo@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

r/CoinHoarder

[–] baskura@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not your filing cabinet, not your files?

[–] AshleyUncia@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How about 'Not Your Drive, Not Your Data'?

[–] ClaudiuT@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

This is it. This is our mantra now.

[–] Justsomedudeonthenet@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I bet there's at least one idiot out their with their bitcoin wallet stored on Google drive, and didn't bother to write down the seed...

[–] Tavapris04@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Buttcoin moment

[–] rookie-mistake@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Good reminder to back mine up.

[–] RecipeNo101@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yup, doing a full local backup of all my Google data now. GDrive client hasn't been syncing for a few days on a couple of my machines for a couple weeks, but everything looks to be there.

[–] Most_Mix_7505@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It was only a matter of time considering how these companies consider consumers necessary pests and put the least possible effort in their services that are consumer facing.

[–] LAMGE2@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Im glad I got rid of that stupid ass desktop app but gotta go check my drive now… well i backed up data there just recently, hope its safe in both places

[–] rehashed1984@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So from the rest of the comments it seems to be the desktop client. That thing is a bit of a dog of a program to be honest. I have a couple of offsite backups. I think I will keep them as archival moving forward and get even more backup drives. Anyone know a good tool I can use on a mac to compare my old backups with my current drive contents to check for missing folders / files? I use freefilesync at the moment to backup my plex library, I suppose that would be a good place to start?

[–] The_Airwolf_Theme@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I use the client but only for streaming files, not sync. Maybe I'm in the clear?

[–] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

What's really scary is that even if it's just a fraction of a percent, it's still tens or hundreds of TB of what's stored there. *SHUDDER*

[–] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] ThickSourGod@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Makes you go...Hmmmm... LOL

Not really. Google has been getting progressively worse at search for years. The results were probably there, you just didn't see them under all the ads and sponsored results (AKA more ads).

[–] nikita2498@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

i have noticed in 2022 that some of my files have disappeared from Google Drive. It’s happening because of toxic 2020 purge

[–] Calbone607@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

THERE ARE ONLY 2 FILES ON MY DRIVE LEFT WTF. Luckily i don't think i ACTUALLY lost anything, but what the hell!

[–] JonPaula@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
[–] emprezario@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

This happened to me on aws last night. We woke up at all our database instances are deleted

[–] odneh_@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Imagine keeping your only copies of files on google drive of all things... do people not know how to do proper backups?

[–] Cheeze_It@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yep, the cloud is always going to be more reliable than self hosted.

Mhmmm.....yep.....right....

[–] Sopel97@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Amazing website. I'm unable to load the last 10 messages. It says it loads them sucessfully but it does nothing.

[–] armacitis@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Never forget,"the cloud" is just someone else's computer.

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