I wonder what the future is gonna hold for famous people. There's gonna come a time when a rando dev can just press a button and a beautiful, funny, and any other-positive-quality-you-could-want person will be generated. This person will never commit a sex crime, will never say a racist remark, never do anything controversial. I imagine once that happens that's just kinda it for famous people who represent a brand.
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Soo Hatsune Miku?
You know I was once convinced Hatsune Miku was the primitive start of a huge shift in the entertainment industry.
No one believed me when I said AI would one day be seriously considered against flesh and blood entertainers.
Well whose laughing now, huh?!
Hah, I only knew that name from Daisy 2.0, turns out is a whole rabbit hole!
Well, that's an unexpected but correct answer
But it's not that easy. If this rando dev's creation never catches the public's attention how can they love it, hate it, forgive it and love it again. So this positive-quality-creature can’t be a star.
And how about acting? You don’t think that acting is an art. That actors actually create a character, that’s either boring for the audience or catching it’s empathy. If there’s no actor creating this character, than the rando dev has to create them.
And to make a movie they have to create a lot of different characters and some will turn out to be better in creating characters than others. So they will be famous for doing it great. The public will admire them and they will have their moments on the red carpet and get the chance to make a racist remark or slap someone in the face.
You know, Mark Twain was such a rando dev. And he got a lot of fame. And now the fame will be coming back to the authors…
Once it's been trained on the data of every movie ever made, won't the AI be able to figure out what exactly makes a performance nuanced and captivating? We're at the very start of this AI journey and it's often indistinguishable from real life already.
Look at animated movies. They're giant collaborations of hundreds of mostly anonymous people, basically large software development projects. They hire stars to do the voices, not because they're all that great as voice actors (trained voice actors can often be had cheaper), but to be the face of the film in public and promote it.
That is, the skill of a Hollywood star is not really anything to do with the product, but simply being famous, recognizable, and likeable. They are a brand, like Mickey Mouse or Colonel Sanders (once an actual person!).
I see your point, but people also kind of look for controversy, and a real person to worship and fawn over.
Yeah I think people are always going to be seeking out something that's real, even if it's just to hate. (Celebrity culture has taught me that people love to hate other people). Well, of course, you can have an AI-generated person be controversial and racist, too, if that's what people want.
I suspect there's going to be an arms race around generating/detecting what is real.
We'll have social media celebrities which pretend to be real but are actually AI-generated. This will give Internet detectives plenty of material to work with to say "their hand looks a little weird in this one photo" or "notice how they've never posted a video? hmm suspicious" and expose them as being AI-generated. Then AI will get a bit better, and their hand won't look weird in that one photo any more, and they will be in (short, to start with) videos, and the Twitter sleuths will have to work even harder. (But they will never admit to themselves that they actually like the detective work involved in exposing/cancelling people). And the arms race in the social media sphere will escalate.
And then on the Hollywood side, dead celebrities and non-existent people will start making cameos and bit parts, as extras and things. And that will generate some controversy and hate, but people will watch it anyway. And studios will push harder and harder to make bigger and bigger roles for AI actors, seeing how much controversy things will generate, testing the waters, and seeing how many of us will watch it anyway. Maybe at first there will be a lot of mocap and other stuff to help the audience still feel like it's "real", but as the envelope is pushed, we will get more forgiving in what we expect to be "real".
Anyway, I think there will be a chase after people who are real, but I suspect eventually it'll just get too tiring or too difficult for most of us to find real celebrities.
Isn't animated content the precursor for this? Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse 'live forever'. We might also take a little from recast characters over time like James Bond, The Doctor, Captain Kirk, Superman...
I guess if we mean actors separate from characters it's a little different. Though I think wr still might take something from Bugs Bunny who's been in various shows, movies etc. And the famous part is the character, you have to be a big Bugs Bunny nerd to know or car about who is doing the voice or animation or writing really. So that might well be where we go - the character is tied to the brand / company that owns it but no particular person.
I don't think there's gonna be a big backlash really. This may make actual actors in movies like the etsy handcrafted stuff vs the knock off brand on Amazon, but both have a market. The "more expensive" real market might well shrink a lot and if you want to be an actor you're back to actual stage performance.
Yes ... interesting and on point! Only two thoughts to add ...
Now's a good time to pay attention to what industries come off as the most creepy and dystopian, as AI is sort of allowing them to reveal themselves as always that way
And, relatedly, something I keep thinking of with stories like this is that we should maybe try to realise how continuous the transition into dystopian behaviour is. Like, with your artificial celebrity ... are we not somewhat headed that way already with the underlying real life person merely being the mold onto which an artificial celebrity is cast? From "photoshopped" images and footage, scripted and produced social media statements, ads everywhere, and branding driving everything ... is it really a huge discrete step to simply digitise the likeness of someone ahead of time?
The lesson ... fighting against small things can matter ... a lot. Just like the parable of "First the came for X and I didn't care ... ". Once you let the line be moved a little in the wrong direction on something that matters, it can end up moving a lot!! And if we're truly going through some late-stage-capitalism dystopia ATM, a lot of it, IMO, comes down to forgetting the importance of doing things on principle.
At what point does the AI just write the script, build actors and environments for it, "shoot"/render the movie, advertise it, and send it out without any human interaction? Will the movies of the future just all be animated? Would definitely be far cheaper than buying equipment, paying staff, and renting locations.
AI is just going to be the next way that we're all gonna get fucked over and exploited by the mega rich. What a future...
This is true. I work in a related field, and my company and almost all of its clients are falling over themselves trying to identify what can be already replaced with AI.
Systematically processes are being broken down to identify activities that are "cognitive" are can be done by AI, with the goal of eventually replacing the human workers with AI almost entirely for those tasks. All these companies, including mine, are super profitable for most part but that is apparently not enough, and everyone fears being left behind and their share price tanking if they don't adopt AI too. So there's a mad rush to get it done everywhere.
activities that are "cognitive" are can be done by AI
Management.
Ironically management could really be done by an ai well. AI is amazing at time management and keeping its feelings in check, bad managers tend to be poor at time management and have a hard time not letting their personal beliefs seep into their work.
I wish that I was that optimistic. The data AI:s are trained on can be just as faulty causing them to have "personal beliefs seep in"...
Sigh... Guess we gotta copyright the human body and face. I fucking hate this timeline.
in her opening statement of the press conference, SAG-AFTRA president Fran Drescher said that “If we don’t stand tall right now, we are all going to be in trouble, we are all going to be in jeopardy of being replaced by machines.”
The Nanny, comin in hot! Fran Drescher has always been cool as hell, I didn't realize shit was the president of SAG-AFTRA!
Don't we already have pretty robust laws when it comes to person's likeness?
I presume most contracts cover this aspect mainly for the purposes of marketing and future references. Of course the actors probably didn't expect the extent the current technology could allow their likeness to be exploited.
It would probably make sense to require more specific contracts for this purpose, and have previously signed general contracts become insufficient for using actors' likeness for this purpose.
They say they are expected to accept contracts that were designed for the old business model while the industry structure and technologies have changed. Here's some video of the speeches & demonstrations.
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If a corporation puts their crimes inside a computer, they can get away with it for years before anybody figures out how to do anything about it.
Hey, this is just like -- (sees thumbnail image) never mind, I have nothing useful to add to this discussion, carry on
Are we the same person? Lol.
Creepy ass motherfuckers. You'd almost have to be a studio exec to think this is even something you should ask.
Salma Hayek is gonna be piiiiisssseeddd!!
No one saw “S1m0ne” 20 years ago because they thought it was too far fetched.
I think a time will come in our dystopian future where it will be trendy to have a performance by a real actor or a traditional painting created by a real artist ... that will be the gimmick, so to say.
As long as I can help it or afford it, I will always prefer human art over machines.
The reality is works produced by humans are going to be a luxury for the rich, while the poor have to setting for AI generated crap.
Man, this is reminding of horror comic book story from like 40 years ago. Actress signs away the rights to her own appearance, has to be disfigured or something because she's no longer allowed to look like herself
I'm almost certain there was a movie like this. A guy create a AI celebrity and he fall in love with her. I believe he "kills" her in the end.
I don't remember if the public end up knowing if she was fake or not.
“The congress” is coming closer.
https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/152795-the-congress
I understand why some people might not like this movie. But I think about it a few times a week. And one major part of the scenario is about a famous actor giving her digital copy to a studio and the unforeseen consequences.
These mfers watched "Joan is Awful" from season 6 of Black Mirror and said. LETS DO THAT!!