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[–] GFGJewbacca@lemm.ee 106 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lawyers for the 14-year-old and her parents say that American “knew or should have known the flight attendant was a danger.” They say the failure of other crew members to confiscate the employee's phone allowed him to destroy evidence.

Well that's pretty damning. Makes me wonder how many other times this flight attendant has done this.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Tf?

Do you see that image, look how fucking visible the flash is and it’s in the dead centre of the seat. No way a 14 year old would not see that giant arse phone stickers to the lid.

Also

The family said an FBI agent later told the girl’s mother they did not arrest the man because they did not find any incriminating images on his phone.

Innocent until proven guilty, and allegedly he’s been cleared by the FBI. Yet you’re here acting like he’s guilty, has a history of this, and should never have been hired.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

Ummmm Was that an employee's phone taped to the toilet seat? Criminals being unbelievably bad at crime is not a defense. The FBI can't arrest somebody without evidence, but nobody is claiming that they didn't tape a phone to a toilet seat.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 13 points 2 years ago

Seems to be a civil lawsuit, so the standards are different. The investigation is also ongoing. Obtaining the photos is unlikely the only crime. Attempting to obtain the photos is also likely a crime. The FBI agent is not the judge of what is our is not illegal.

The flight attendant was not identified. They are not getting paid, but that is fully different than being punished for a crime (still has a negative impact on them.)

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ah, about destroying evidence - last I checked, it's not as simple as just deleting stuff. So (if investigators get their hands on the actual phone, if they get a decent digital forensics expert, if Apple cooperates maybe) there'll be evidence of both the root crime and the crime of trying to conceal it.

[–] Stuka@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How exactly is one supposed to just know someone's a criminal? And what do they think the flight attendants job description is?

Throw the guy in jail, terrible it happened. But I dont see how they're gonna get anywhere in that lawsuit

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How do you know this guy is guilty and should be thrown in jail?

[–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Innocent until proven guilty only applies in the courts. For everywhere else, it seems to be guilty until proven innocent, and sometimes still guilty despite proof.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's because most people are complete fucking morons.

It's nothing something we should ever remain silent on and let be acceptable.

Especially if it's a man being accussed

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago

The whole point of the lawsuit is that they couldn't find evidence because the other flight attendants gave him his phone back after he'd been caught. They're suing because he committed an obvious offense against a minor, and the employees didn't take the accusation seriously enough not to let evidence get destroyed.

The criminal case may be a lost cause now, but the evidence we do have is pretty damning and does warrant a lawsuit against the company that enabled what happened.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

This is the most stupidest criminal ever.

The camera is a "iPhone taped to the toilet".

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 11 points 2 years ago

That is hilariously bad

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago

If I hadn't read what the photo is about, I would think it's just a notice that the seat should not be used as it's, eh, "broken" as written, and the phone with the light is there as an additional joke. But whatever.

[–] June@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

Seems pretty damning assuming the girl’s story is true.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Can anyone link the complaint?