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[–] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 166 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Slightly OT, but this is also why we absolutely need ranked voting ASAP. How much better would a candidate like Sanders do if people knew that voting for him as first choice and Biden as second was possible?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Well he lost the primaries, which is when you vote for the candidate you really want. But he lost the primaries because the DNC aired a never ending stream of bullshit telling the people it was impossible for Sanders to win, and then pointing to the current super delegate polls as evidence. Idk why people are terrified of voting for a losing candidate in the primaries though. Who gives a fuck if your vote loses in the primaries? You should vote for the candidate you want, not the one you think is going to win. It's not a casino bet.

[–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The closed primary system is just so fucked in general, these are private organizations that can do whatever they want, the DNC and the RNC.

I still don't like Debbie Wasserman Schultz. She was literally marched out of the DNC office because of the bias she showed towards Hillary Clinton in leaked emails. Then she gets hired by the Clinton campaign!

Shit was so crazy.

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[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

The thing is, because the final vote for president isn't ranked choice, the spoiler effect is also spoiling the primary. People will vote for the candidate they think can will at the national level, else Trump might win.

If you had ranked choice voting at the actual election, only then would the spoiler effect be fixed.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Now no offence to the US political system but the primaries are a symptom of a two party system.

Without them and with ranked choice voting, y'all would have had Sanders (edit: in 2016) and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Much love. I mean it.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

No offense taken. Even our first president and founding father, George Washington advised against a bicameral system.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 80 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Situation sucks. But, with Cheeto chimp it'll suck 1000X more.

Don't be complacent. Don't be apathetic.

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[–] Lilith_the_serpent@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago (8 children)

This is posted in political humor, but unfortunately, it's not a joke.

[–] CPMSP@midwest.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nor do I find it humorous.

But one day I hope I can laugh about it.

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[–] rekabis@programming.dev 40 points 2 years ago (22 children)

As a Canadian looking from the outside in, it really does seem to be trending in that direction… any further Republican wins will mean the end of democracy, with America sliding into a ChristoFascist Autocracy.

I fear for my American neighbours, but we have similar problems up here; we just happen to be a decade or so behind you folk.

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[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 2 years ago (17 children)

This was the same promise in 2020. And yet here we are. Democrats should have done better than beg to save democracy one more time.

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Preserving democracy was never going to be a single-step solution process. It takes consistent, persistent work to not only expand, but to just maintain our liberty for all. It's a tower defense strategy game.

At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, a lady asked Benjamin Franklin “Well Doctor what have we got, a republic or a monarchy.” Franklin replied, “A republic . . . if you can keep it.” This existential threat has always been there and it's something to always be wary of. It's exhausting, but it's worth it. Freedom ain't free.

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[–] money_loo@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

“You ever notice whenever the republicans do something terrible or prevent something good from happening, it’s always the democrats fault?” -Fucking idiots everywhere.

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[–] vaseltarp@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (25 children)

I look at this fom a far and i wonder: Why do the democrats not just get a younger more capable person to vote for?

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

Because they're part of the system run by the wealthy and powerful, and younger peeps not only have to claw their way into that microcosm, but are often then bought out / corrupted by that very system.

[–] endhits@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Democrats are a party of capital, which resist the young for two reasons:

  1. They do not hold capital in any capacity that can be compared to older generations

  2. As a result, they are overwhelmingly more anti-capital than previous generations.

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[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (21 children)

Joe Biden has the authority to resign. Joe Biden can choose to not run in 2024. If he cared about preserving democracy, he would let someone more electible take his place.

If things go wrong, it's the fault of the people in power.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The incumbent president has only lost 10 times in US history (and one of those was Trump). Biden already beat Trump once. Who has a better resume than that?

Seriously. Tell us a name.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

As we all know, politics only happens when you vote for president every 4 years.

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[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Weird, I was sold almost the exact same line in 2020.

[–] corbin 26 points 2 years ago (12 children)

It’s almost like the same totalitarian is running on the GOP ticket.

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

It's sad how the US spends trillions on defense, when all it takes to seize control over the nation is some bottom tier Dollar Store propaganda that any third world nation could afford.

[–] xarexyouxmadx@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

This is the same tired line we have to hear every 4 years. It's been a substitute for concrete policy and it's gotten all of us nowhere.

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Fuck em both I’m voting for Brandon.

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[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh, I'm sure they would still hold elections. But your options would be even more limited. "Sorry, but the other parties just didn't run any candidates for this election. Imagine that."

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