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"When you have these back-to-back races, I feel like sometimes there is not enough time to really go through it all. So, I felt like we really had to take a bit of time to make sure that we understood which way we were going.

"Obviously, we had a deficit within the car setup that we were playing around [with] weekend by weekend and we were just not able to progress through it.

"But once we managed to get on top of that, we understood a lot of things that we were trying to compensate for. And that just basically meant that we were not just not doing things right.

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[โ€“] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Is this another Red Bull driver (after Albon) that is basically coming out and saying there's no chance if the team tailor for Max's success and nothing else. ๐Ÿค”

[โ€“] espentan@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I would guess it's hard as a driver to accept "defeat". In your mind you have to believe you got what it takes or you're already washed out. At least to some extent I think these stories are drivers explaining to themselves why things are the way they are, to better accept and cope with the situation.

I don't believe RB hates 1-2s or money nearly enough to intentionally make the car worse for one driver. I do however not for a second doubt that if faced with a choice of directions they would lean Max's way, because he's pretty f'in amazing at what he does and will always be the safer bet.

[โ€“] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I doubt they would make the car intentionally worse. But I could see them intentionally making a car not better. Basically I could see them saying well this is how the car is fastest look at how fast Max is in this setup. It's not the car that's the problem it's you that's the problem. Instead of being willing to set up the cars differently so that both drivers could perform at their maximum potential.

[โ€“] espentan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not being willing or allowing them to try different setups sorta would've been a form of sabotage. Each side of the garage is pretty free in experimenting with different setups. At least I would be very surprised if they're not. They won't go e.g. "this is the setup Max likes, deal with". When it comes to hardware, i.e. car, development it is probably a different story, as I suspect they would be more cautious in developing the car away from Max than Checo.

[โ€“] bedrooms@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If you have a finite amount of budget, you don't split them half for each driver. Max car gets more budget. Also, you give Checo drive a car similar to Max's and share information for enhancements.

[โ€“] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Max car gets more budget.

how? they are the same car.

[โ€“] bedrooms@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In the sense that it's tuned better for Max if there's a conflict between Max and Checo on the car.

[โ€“] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

that's a lot different than "Max car gets more budget".

[โ€“] bedrooms@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Whatever. Either it's you lacking reading skill or it's me lacking expression skill. What do you want now? Clarify which of us is correct or wrong?

[โ€“] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That is indeed what it sounds like. But what reason do they have to change tact if Verstappen continues winning titles without real competition?

[โ€“] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

if WCC matters to them and they lose it like in 2021.

[โ€“] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

That is definitely possible. You bring up a good point.

[โ€“] Sentau@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Firstly Perez never says this in the article. Secondly not only people who are at red bull but even people who have left red bull have confirmed that the car is never built for a particular driver. Instead, RB develops the car in a way that makes it faster and that just happens to be a oversteery car. Max is able to live with it and hence is able to extract the performance. If RB had 2 Sergio's they would have needed to make a fundamentally slower car because Perez would be able to extract the max from that car and not to able to do the same with a oversteery car. In that scenario, the car would seem slower than it actually is due to Perez's limitation. Kind of like a CPU bottleneck (Perez) masking the true performance of the GPU(car)