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[–] bunnyfc@kbin.social 64 points 2 years ago (4 children)

it's like AAA games are only early access these days

[–] 9cpluss@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In two years they can get the award for “best ongoing game” then, just like Cyberpunk :D

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

God, what a dick sucking award. Cyberpunk may be playable now, but it did fuck all to deserve that.

Better games launched excellent and got better with age. Launching to get removed from online stores and taking years to reach playable is not the best ongoing anything.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thank corporate morons forcing devs to the door to meet ridiculous timelines, they don’t give a fuck if it’s ready or not.

I’m a SWE and my manager would tell me shit like “even Apple pushed out the iPhone with some bugs”, “at some point you have to wrap it and ship it”, etc. Mgmt uses this bullshit to feel better about their (or their bosses) poorly balanced priorities and decisions.

It’s all about announce early, bag as much interest and money as possible and then ship it regardless if it’s reached the definition of done or not (you better believe mgmt will throw those goalposts around as they see fit)

Pre-ordering morons hold some blame here as well as they play right into the bullshit I’m talking about

[–] idiocracy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago

why the surprise? as long as people keep buying they will try to squize more money for less effort.

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[–] malchior@aussie.zone 43 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Glad to see they're still improving it. When I get the Ultra Game of the Year Turbo Deluxe edition for $20 in years to come, I no doubt will enjoy it.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm gonna wait for the Ultra Game of the Year Turbo Deluxe edition Complete

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Can't forget the Ultra Game of the Year Turbo Deluxe Complete Anniversary edition, now with built-in mods.

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[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

i didnt play new vegas until the ultimate edition was 5 bucks at wal mart. thankfully avoiding the horrid bugs it had on launch

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[–] FatTony@discuss.online 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When a city map is a luxury.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 2 years ago

Insane that wasnt in the list of "must ship" features

[–] ACardboardRaven@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 years ago

oh boy, now i get to enjoy... basic features that should have been there at launch?

seems this is a recurring thing nowadays. i pray to god fable 4 doesn't suck the big one.

[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nakey Jakey recently did a super indepth video on what is wrong with Starfield. And suffice it to say, I've removed the game from my wishlist. There's betterr games to spend my money on.

[–] WatTyler@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 years ago (7 children)

If you too have an unhealthy relationship with absurdly long video essays, I'd point you in the direction of PatricianTV's Starfield analysis.

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah yeah, wake me up when AI modders recreate Daggerfall in the ES6 engine.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think people would hate it again, seeing how they hated Starfield that is also procedural.

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[–] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Still not buying that garbage.

[–] TheMinions@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly I let my Gamepass lapse and was considering re-upping it to play Starfield. And now I am for sure not going to re-up it for Starfield. Maybe I’ll visit it in a few years, but it sounds like not a great time from Nakey Jakey’s review on it.

[–] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He provided so many examples of how it's worse than Skyrim 😅

[–] TheMinions@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Just the fact that the ship combat is awful AND you don’t get to fly your ship TO other planets makes this a pass for me.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Until I can navigate in space like I can in FREELANCER...which BTW is from 2003....

I want nothing to do with it

[–] RagnarokOnline@reddthat.com 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Friiiiick I miss freelancer so much. Best space sim to date.

[–] Vqhm@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

It's abandon ware now

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[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The main feature I want is better optimization. It’s really not good still and I’ve played with the settings more than I wanted to

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Last months patch did a lot for optimization, especially on the cpu and non amd gpu builds, seeing double digit gains.

[–] Kaldo@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago

I'd say "i will pick it up on a sale in a year or two" but they're just going to release the enhanced / special / anniversary / superspace edition down the line too, so why bother

[–] Fridgeratr@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Pro tip: finish game first, THEN release it!

[–] spiderkle@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago

It's nice Bethesda wants to pull a Cyberpunk, but Starfield at it's core just isn't as good. I'm all for some redeeming updates though, because at least there would be something to come back to

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I haven't bought Starfield, was waiting for sub-$25. If there are no mods, I'm lowering that to sub-$10.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When will game companies learn that they could be doing so much better if they just released their games AFTER they're finished?

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reminder that Todd wanted to release this last year, imagine the state it was in lol

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Starfield is a fucking joke.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I should probably pick this up when it’s on sale. I bought it on release after playing CyberPunk with ray tracing and asked for a refund after playing for 20 minutes because it just looked like garbage in comparison.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Part of the reason why Bethesda games visually looks bad is because their tied to the hip with creation engine for modders to use. Part of the reason why bethesda games have soo many mods is because of how much of the games engine is open to modders to modify.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I agree. I was fine with it for Skyrim and Fallout 4 but after getting used to how gorgeous CP2077 was, the difference was jarring for a AAA title in 2023.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The thing is, cyberpunk also has mod support, and it's pretty good, I use a climbing mod, a drone mancer class mod, and before the 2.1 update it already had a metro system via mod.

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[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

"all new ways of traveling"

Will they add a metro?

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, the only thing that's really needed is the standard access to the creation kit. After that, I think modders can polish it up to competency, although flying to planets might be outside the abilities of the engine. I think anyone still hoping Starfield is going to be a good space game need to stop dreaming and go back to Elite/No Mans Sky/Waiting for Star Citizen, but there were some really elaborate mods for New Vegas and Skyrim back in the day. Maybe someone dedicated and talented enough could even fix that.

[–] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The trick is that they want paid mods so they can do nothing and get a decade of profit. Consider that many of the mods on Nexus have millions of unique downloads.

Even if they charge 3 bucks a mod and get a third of it, that's tens of millions of dollars with zero effort on their part.

But the primary issue is that the current modding framework they're pushing onto Skyrim doesn't support framework mods, so none of the big mods Skyrim is known for, and have kept it alive so long, could happen.

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