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[–] ilovesatan@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well now I need a tool that makes graphs like this. I think I smell a winter break project coming up

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago

Please do. I really like this chart and expect a lot more coming soon.

And no, I don't expect to get any actual data from the chart at all.

[–] might_steal_your_cat@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (5 children)

What about 3D Venn diagrams, but the sets are spheres?

[–] jadero@mander.xyz 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think for maximum uselessness, they should not be overlapping spheres, but deform at the interface, like soap bubbles or rubber balls. As long as the spheres are the same size and modelled with the same "surface tension" or "elasticity", the "intersection" of two sets would then be a circular interface with an area proportional to what would otherwise be an overlap (I think). If the spheres have different sizes or are modelled with different surface tension or elasticity, one would "intrude" into the other.

Multiple sets would have increasingly complex shapes that may or not also create volumes external to the deformed spheres but still surrounded by the various interfaces.

Time to break out the mathematics of bubbles and foam. This data ain't gonna obscure itself!

Might there actually be utility to something like this? Scrunch the spheres together but make invisible everything that is not an interface and label the faces accordingly. I suppose the same could be said of the shape described by overlapping. (Jesus, you'd think I was high or something. Just riffing.)

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

(Jesus, you'd think I was high or something. Just riffing.)

I am, maybe that's why I made it all the way down here ;).

Might there actually be utility to something like this? Scrunch the spheres together but make invisible everything that is not an interface and label the faces accordingly.

What if the labels of the faces on the 3D (pressure points or interfaces) were like things that kept the 'soap bubbles' from merging? Like for example: science watchers of MSM being kept from understanding climate change

Is that what you were thinking?

[–] jadero@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago

No, that's not what I was thinking, but that sounds like a decent idea. Maybe a better idea than just simple labels representing the facing sphere.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Venn diagrams, but the sets represent whatever the diagram is about (like houses for housing markets).

[–] might_steal_your_cat@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago
[–] abir_vandergriff@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Projected on a 2D screen, it'd look more like a normal venn diagram.

[–] jadero@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago

That's what 3D printing is for...

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Volumetric Herbert space diagram.

Why limit it to 3 dimensions?

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why limit it to an integer number of dimensions?

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because I'm not sure how to make it work in non integer dimensions.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How about 4D Venn diagrams?

[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One might even go as far as 5D

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

When I read your comment, my monocle popped right off!

[–] CJOtheReal@ani.social 20 points 2 years ago

The fact that its accurate makes it even worse...

[–] abcd@feddit.de 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What’s the problem? What I’m seeing, these are absolutely valid SQL joins 🤔

😂

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At least the "depth" is consistent

[–] jenny_ball@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

it's not that bad tbh

[–] snownyte@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I never really understood these graphs, even with the best of my ability. I just think it's an excuse for people to make vaginal references.

[–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

( Georgia O'Keefe ( Vaginal References ) Venn Diagrams )

[–] jadero@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

This is my first exposure to a plain text Venn diagram. Genius.

[–] Crow@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

We need different heights for each colour. Then the middle colour can be an average.

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

i like big graphs and i can not lie

all about that x and y

though when the venn diagram seems to deny

an z axis I sigh