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[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 44 points 2 years ago (17 children)

Cars fulfill a very self-indulgent narrative. 'I get to decide where and when I travel', makes people feel "free" snd "important" even when millions of them are silently coming to the same decisions-- like going downtown at 09:00 on weekdsys-- that allow huge efficiency plays.

Notice how many ads feature fantasies of open roads and trips to faraway attractions, not the real world of "I need to sit in rush hour traffic from 6:30 on to get to the Work Factory"

Maybe public transit needs to focus its message on the freedom from drudgery it offers-- you don't have to be staring at the driver in front of you, scanning the traffic reports

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Exactly! This is why I love micromobility and quality public transit so much. With micromobility like electric scooters or bikes, I can zip past traffic in the protected cycle lanes in my city. With the frequent metro service in my city, I know I can show up to the metro station at basically any time and know it'll be a max 5-minute wait for the next train. And when I'm on the train, I can just chill and scroll on my phone or read a book instead of stressing about traffic. The freedom to think about something that isn't traffic.

[–] Schal330@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unfortunately as it stands in some places the infrastructure is awful. Take England for example; catching a train to London takes about 20 minutes for me, however there are often 10-15 minute delays that you now have to start accounting for, you also have to sit in a cabin with someone blaring their music that isn't to your taste. Hopefully you're not in a cabin with a toilet, because it's going to stink of shit.

Now the return journey, fingers crossed it's not cancelled otherwise you have another 40 minute wait for the next train! Last train home is a real anxiety inducing experience, will you be getting that train home or has it been cancelled? This is unfortunately all too common here. Sadly because public transport is for profit rather than a necessary service we have someone trying to do the bare minimum to make that money, and then pay the bare minimum to their staff who don't give a shit. It all begins to unravel and people just have a better experience sat in that morning traffic which is a more consistent and pleasant experience to the public transport.

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[–] Pixlbabble@lemm.ee 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Big Auto has been destroying any idea of high speed rails for decades. Our trains are complete trash because of car lobbyists.

[–] JonVonBasslake@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Muskrat is one of the biggest ones to blame.

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[–] 18107@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

I have an electric car because I refuse to pay any more money to fossil fuel companies but still need to drive. I use public transport where possible, but many trips just aren't viable.

It takes me 30 minutes to walk to the nearest shopping centre, but 2 hours to get there by public transport, or 5 minutes by car.

As an average citizen, I don't have the means to build or fund new railway lines. I am, however, lucky enough to be able to refuse to drive fossil fueled vehicles and still survive.

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[–] EthicalAI@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Trains aren’t 100% the answer, but cars should be the last answer. Still we should electrify cars.

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[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I dunno what country you are from, but here in the US of A, the monopolies that own all the train infrastructure make sure to keep trains as public transportation as cost prohibitive as possible.

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[–] HedonismB0t@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would love to have trains and not need a car. Unfortunately that's still a decade away here in California.

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[–] LightDelaBlue@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (12 children)

since wen this sub is full of carbrain? like bruh.

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Because cars aren't stuck to tracks.

[–] HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 years ago

And trains aren't stuck to roads. And planes aren't stuck to roads. And ships aren't stuck to roads.

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[–] randint@feddit.nl 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 14 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I love good public transport. It's great to not have to worry about parking or having to drive. Good cities, like many in Europe and New York in the US, a car isn't really required.

But out in the countryside, a car is a must. Electric cars are massively better for the environment and way cheaper to run (like tenth the cost with a night rate).

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because North Americans were tricked by the oil and car companies in the 50s to think that car ownership was part of being human, and now we're addicted to sitting in traffic, breathing fumes, and killing pedestrians in the name of muh freedom.

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Because in our current state with everything built around cars, creating a train system to accommodate it all is nearly impossible. Trains work great in a downtown, or centralized area. They are very difficult to build to accommodate our 1x1 grid system that cars use. Or at least that's my perception of it. Even if the system could be built, it'd have to be manned, it'd have to travel to certain areas at certain times to account for jobs. And it becomes increasingly unwieldy the more requirements you add to it. I wish things had built up along a sustainable train systems instead of cars, but placing a train system in to replace the decentralized nature that cars introduce is a monumental and perhaps untenable task.

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Cars can pick me up 10 feet from my front door(my car). No train tracks within 5 miles of me. I would love if their were tracks closer.

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[–] throwsbooks@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Because as much as trains and buses are great for everyday commuter movement (and having amenities within walking distance is key as well), there's two issues:

  • Changing the infrastructure and zoning of an existing city is much easier said than done. Ripping up concrete, tearing down existing business and homes to increase densification, that's a huge undertaking.
  • Trains never replaced the horse drawn carriage. You can never fully eliminate the need for cars because sometimes you need to move something big like a couch. Even if there's less cars on the road, it'll never be 0, as this also includes things like ambulances, and fire trucks that can't rely on schedules.
[–] CannaVet@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Changing the infrastructure and zoning of an existing city is much easier said than done.

Fun how we had zero fucking problem doing it to every city in the country for cars. 🤷

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[–] Silvus@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Actually most cities had rail laid out and working commuter trains. The car manufacturers bought them up and purposely ran them into the ground to increase car sales. (Think Twitter) they were run like that.

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[–] gramathy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (14 children)

That’s what rentals are for. Yeah, there’s always going to be a need for low volume cargo transport and emergency response, but ultimately building cities so 90% of trips can be easily and comfortably accomplished via mass transit should be the goal. Nobody is suggesting transit can replace all cars.

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[–] Carter@feddit.uk 10 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Not every journey is possible with public transport. People will still need to lug equipment about in the electric future.

[–] DoctorWheeze@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Trains don’t cover literally every single use case of a car, better keep expanding those highways!

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (24 children)

I am all for more public transportation in this country, but it wouldn't help me personally. I live outside of city limits- the closest bus line is two miles away. My work is even further outside city limits, a 10-minute drive south of me down a four-lane highway, past farm fields and into an industrial park.

There's just no way public transportation is going to help me there. And even if I didn't have to do it down a highway, there's no way I'm riding a bike there in the middle of winter.

So do please make public transport more available and expansive. Just know that it still won't be a universal solution. Individual transport is needed by some of us.

I plan to get an electric (not a Tesla) for my next car. I currently drive a hybrid.

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[–] Clipper152@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

B-but think of the iNdIvIdUaL!

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 9 points 2 years ago

Batteries used gives you150 ebikes for every e-car

[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Because they give people a lot more freedom than trains


if you own a car. If you don't own a car but live in a society where everybody else has one you are kinda screwed.

[–] bonnetbee@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I know it is not necessarily your opinion, but cars don't give freedom to people - even if you own one. You pay so much for your car, the society pays a lot for the infrastructure, this infrastructure takes away the freedom from people (especially children) to live and move outside, when you drive you can (should) do nothing else, it's reputation as individual way of transport blocks expansion of public transit, ... every aspect of a car is taking freedom away from you. A car that gives people freedom is a marketing strategy and the opposite is true.

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[–] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I can go out drinking, text, work, chat, and sleep on my commute without being arrested or viciously murdering someone. Sounds like I have more freedom here.

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