Just my opinion, but I’m ok with reposts, at least until the original content here picks up.
And a waiting period seems like a good idea. Maybe 7 days is enough? 14 days works too.
this post was submitted on 18 Jul 2023
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A community for the drama, big and small, in hobby groups.
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- BE KIND. No bigotry, flaming, trolling, etc. Do not brigade (remember we are outside observers)!
- NO DOXXING. Do not post addresses, real names, etc of individuals. Exceptions are made for public figures (eg celebrities) and companies, but keep it relevant.
- 14 DAY RULE. When making a post drama should be concluded for at least 14 days to make sure it's fully concluded and give a complete scope to posts. The exception to this is the weekly Hobby Round Up megathread which this rule does not apply to.
- INCLUDE CONSEQUENCES. When posting include what the drama means for the community. "The state of the game is worse off and players are leaving" is better than "and everyone was mad the end".
- KEEP OUT BIAS. If you are one of the main participants in the drama don't post, this isn't a community for validation seeking. If you're a peripheral (eg you're in the hobby and have an opinion, but aren't the one the drama is about, leading a petition drive, etc) posting is fine. Strive to be objective in your write-up.
- NSFW. If a hobby or drama is NSFW mark the post as such.
- REPOSTS. Reposts should be clearly marked with [REPOST] in the title and a link to the original post at the top or bottom of the post. Posts that don't follow this rule will be warned and then removed if the requested changes aren't made.
- TITLE GUIDELINES. Titles should include the following tags as appropriate:
- [REPOST] for reposts
- [HISTORY] for drama that does not include hobbyists (eg industry drama such as the financial fallout of a game company's decisions)
- [GENERAL HOBBY] music, apparel, video games, TV shows, knitting, social media group, etc
- [SPECIFIC HOBBY] is an optional tag if you'd like to be more specific (eg Taylor Swift, Game of Thrones, Gucci, World of Warcraft, etc)
An example title would be: [Video Games][Old School Runescape] The hat scandal OR [Repost][History][Music] Fyre Festival controversies
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I do appreciate the reposter’s intentions, but if I was a newcomer and not someone who understands they’re doing it because there’s no content here, just one person posting all the time would turn me off immediately.
Fair opinions!
Since no one seems to have an issue with 14 days I'm thinking we might as well just stick with that. If it really chafes the community we can always change it later too. Thanks for the input!
Automatic reposts are terrible for everybody browsing New, I'd suggest not adding such a bot.
But for my communities, I do allow manual Reddit reposts and ask users to add [Reddit] in the title. The idea being that in the future, when third party apps allow filtering by keywords, people who do not want to see them can just add [Reddit] to the blocked words list.
That's a good point about the filtering and I think I'll see about implementing that. I don't expect people to totally abandon the subreddit for this community so it'll be nice for people who use both to filter out reposts when filtering presumably eventually becomes available. Thanks for the suggestion!
Far as the bot goes I'm not interested in one personally, but I did see a post asking for it when I joined the community here. But I agree I don't think it would help the community grow, but just make us a mirror for the subreddit.
I personally think that reposting should require the permission of the original author (not just in this community, but in general). I guess this is an unpopular opinion, but giving credit just means you aren’t plagiarizing. It doesn’t mean that someone else’s work is now yours to repost in full on another site. A bot for reposting news links is one thing, but it really bugs me to see someone’s writing that they put a lot of work into posted to a different site without their knowledge.
100% agree with this. We should have the courtesy to ask the author for permission before spreading their work. They should be aware it was posted here in case they would like to respond to comments or if they need to make edits.
The only reason I don't care all that much is because it's all online in public, it's made to be shared. Do you get upset when someone steals your meme and doesn't credit you? The internet is just made for this kind of spread. It's why comic creators use tags. Where do you draw the line for what online text is shareable or not shareable?
I feel like memes are made and meant to be shared hence the name. I feel a hobby drama post is more like a blog post to a community they are a member of. They are sharing it with members of that community and not intentionally sharing it with other communities. I also think asking for permission seems like a good middle ground between reposting all hobby drama posts from Reddit and banning all reposts.
I don’t get fussed about it for myself because I know there is a large population on the internet that considers everything fair game and I post accordingly (not that I create so much stuff that everyone wants, haha). I learned that lesson twenty years ago when I spent ages in MS Paint creating a forum avatar for myself and soon started to see it popping up on other people’s profiles. I realized then that something might be legally* mine, but good luck enforcing that. Maybe most people also realize that and post knowing that they will be losing some control, but I don’t think that means we just give up all courtesy.
As far as sharing, I’m all for it - it is absolutely one of the best things about the internet. But to me it means sharing the link - “hey guys go read this cool thing” and then people can go and read and engage with the author on their work. Maybe you include some quotes with the link to give some context for sharing. It’s the wholesale cut+paste for the purpose of building up a different community that the author is not part of that I don’t care for.
Where I draw the line is a good question and I’m doubtless not always consistent. Memes? To me, the sharing and transforming is part of the nature of a meme - images are combined, text is updated or replaced, etc. Comics? Sharing one panel or whatever and directing to the artist’s site seems like the courteous thing to do, but if you are reposting so many of the artist’s comics that people just read your posts instead of going to the artist’s site I would consider that a problem.
Additionally, one benefit of requesting permission from the authors may be to attract some of them over here. I’d love to have more users passionate enough to write 5000 words about some obscure stamp collecting scandal on lemmy.
Anyway, that’s my 17 cents.
*this is from a US perspective, but I’m no lawyer
Going to answer you down here, but yeah I agree requesting brings us to the attention of posters and might entice them over here which would definitely help the community grow. I like the idea floated below of it being an opt-out request. I know it may come off a little rude, but some of the accounts for the most popular posts on the reddit are abandoned. The WoW one for example the poster was suspended by reddit and faik that was never revoked and OP didn't make a new account or anything so there's no way to reach them.
I like the opt-out idea, too. It’s clear that there are differing opinions on the ethics of reposting, so maybe attracting posters over here is the more widely-compelling argument. Maybe part of the notice of reposting could include an invitation to come and post it themselves.
I'm going to give it a week to see what everyone says, but right now I'm leaning towards (based on replies) strongly encouraging (but not requiring) posters sending an opt out message with a three day waiting period for a reply and then having a takedown policy for anyone who's been reposted here who doesn't want to be. More work for me, but I feel this might be a good middle ground. I mirrored my account on reddit so no one will have to make a Lemmy account to ask for a take down.
I did also reach out to the reddit mods a week ago asking for some guidance on how they'd like to link up, but I haven't heard anything back which is why I decided to leave it to the community here.
I can definitely say I’ve messaged the mods on r/HobbyDrama about maybe giving us some support, official backing, and it’s been 11 days with no reply. I’ll encourage anything that helps us grow and maybe have people post their content both on Reddit and here.
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