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China’s Nuclear-Powered Containership: A Fluke Or The Future Of Shipping?::Since China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) unveiled its KUN-24AP containership at the Marintec China Expo in Shanghai in early December of 2023, the internet has been abuzz about it. Not jus…

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[–] fatalError@lemmy.sdf.org 60 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Nuclear powered ships are not a new thing. They've been around for decades. They would benefit our emission a lot. Let's hope that they will be allowed in the ports around the world, this has been the greatest limitation so far. Convincing general population that nuclear can be safe is no easy feat.

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

If you're somewhere near Connecticut, the first-ever nuclear powered ship got turned into a museum in Groton

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Problem.

There's a huge difference between an American carrier and a Panamanian flagged cargo hauler. Are we really ready to trust one of the shadiest industries, (there's still ships manned by slaves out there), with nuclear reactors?

Could you imagine India letting a nuclear hauler dock after it made a port call in Pakistan? New York letting any of them dock?

[–] fatalError@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And this is why I said changing the missconception that nuclear can't be safe is hard. There are types of reactors safe by design.

Sure, no tech is foolproof, but have a look at how the molten salt reactor works. That kind of reactor doesn't have a meltdown issue. That doesn't mean things can't still go wrong, but we have to do something about the emissions from these container ships burning the most crap of the fossil fuels... If we look at how many people die of deseases caused by air polution, the tiny risk of a nuclear accident looks a lot more acceptable. And that's before we even consider how bad the climate changed in recent years.

We have to start educating ourselves and others on nuclear, because although renewables are cheaper, the energy storage for when there is no wind/sun is still very expensive and pretty crap tech(you have a phone, you know how the battery dies in 2-3 years). Also lithium won't last forever so until we figure out something to replace it, nuclear can cover the gaps with considerably less emissions than dino juices and ancient biomass.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Most nuclear accidents aren't melt downs. They're steam explosions and releases of irradiated material. It's great that they built such a failsafe for meltdowns but steam explosions have a bad habit of blowing holes in the containment system. Much less the idea of a steam explosion happening dockside or on something like a natural gas ship.

The only way it would be even close to trusted is if this Chinese ship only visits ports they can strongarm into accepting it and/or they use their military naval technology and have military personnel manning the engineering spaces.

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Which is ironic considering that fossil fuels have resulted in orders of magnitude more preventable deaths than nuclear. Bunker fuel is nasty stuff

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 56 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Largely, this is likely a good thing. Don't let perfect be the enemy of better (than the status quo).

[–] wootcrisp@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I read that article and I still don't understand what it being a fluke would matter to anything? Strange title to me.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

I wasn't aware reactors using thorium were practical yet.