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[–] appel@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I switched back to Firefox a few months ago due to the incoming Manifest v3 debacle and I'm glad I did, it's an excellent browser.

[–] crsu@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's really come a long way in the past few years. It used to be so slow when Chrome came in to take over

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

That perceived slowness comparison lasted less than a year!

[–] sep@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Agree compleatly. Been using firefox since it was called mosaic

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a red panda isn't it?

[–] shmanio@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From their "Firefox name FAQ":

A "Firefox" is another name for the red panda.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Fuck me, I love learning, thanks for that.

[–] Geek_King@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I switched back to Firefox maybe 9 or 10 months ago after using opera gx for a while. Firefox had been great, and I love that they keep fighting the good fight, so to speak.

[–] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Opera GX, just like anything related to Opera, is a massive pile of shit.

[–] fluckx@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm mainly using Firefox on my devices and have zero regrets.

I also enjoyed Vivaldi over the other chromium browsers. Still sticking with FF for now. The only issues I've had are Ms teams not loading, though km assuming that's related to 3rd party cookies ( even though o365 outlook works fine ).

MSteams is a dumpster fire in and of itself though. Even on my Windows pc it crashes when sharing my screen.

[–] original_reader@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I switched mostly too. Cannot say that I have zero regrets, but FF is mostly up to what I need it to be. And where it isn't, there's Vivaldi.

[–] dditty@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah Firefox on Android sometimes refuses to load tabs and I have to quit and reopen it, it also still feels slow to load search results as well. Even with those flaws, I'm not switching back to Chromium browsers

[–] fluckx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The Firefox add-ons help out with sticking with FF. I don't think you can use add-ons in chromium browsers.

Ghostery/ABP on my phone is convenient.

[–] crsu@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[–] TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Any Alternative to Brave? I have FF as primary browser but for some websites which tends to break on FF, I would like to use something non-Chrome/Brave on Windows.

[–] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Librewolf sounds like Brave, but built on top of Firefox. It also doesn't spam you with stupid ads like Brave does.

[–] TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago

But my alt should be Chromium based for the weird cases.

[–] crsu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Librewolf is better I think. It's pretty much a privacy hardened Firefox with the telemetry taken out. No odd crypto scheme like Brave either.

[–] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

No odd crypto scheme like Brave either.

That's a great point

[–] shadowspirit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

FF is primary but started using Vivaldi as my chromium based browser.. I'm definitely not nerd level privacy geek but it hits all my check boxes for configuration, customization, and ease of use.

[–] Dougtron007@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I keep chromium as a secondary if something breaks on Firefox. It’s the foundation of chrome without all the silly Google shit.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Dougtron007@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks, this is what I’m looking for.

[–] Phrodo_00@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use edge for the edge case when websites don't work after changing the user agent

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[–] MiddledAgedGuy@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

As far as non-Chrome goes, there's only two other modern browser engines. Webkit which is Apple stuff, and Gecko which is Firefox. So I don't believe so, no.

[–] Mars@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

If the site breaks on Firefox, probably it only works in chrome based, so I’d say just use ungoogled-chromium.

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[–] miridius@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

These are pretty terrible arguments.

  1. Google is a primarily advertising based company yes, but Apple and Microsoft aren't
  2. You can't compare chromium to IE - chromium is open source, and also it's actually good
[–] fossphi@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Chromium being open source actually means jack shit. It's controlled by Google, one singular entity whose only desire is to maximise their iron grip on the internet to squeeze as much ad revenue as they can.

This isn't hyperbole, look at the recent WEI stuff or manifest v3 crap. Time and again, these corporations have showed that they just don't give a shit about the free and open internet.

Which leads to the first point, (Microsoft does seem to be moving pretty heavily into advertising though with all the bs in windows 11), you absolutely can not in good conscience use a big tech product with the argument that they're not an ad company. It's not just the ads which is the issue here. And the problem is sooner or later they'll realise they've a trove of monetisable data, so might as well do something with it. And then we'll have no choice because there will be no free and open alternatives left

[–] chocolatine@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The issue is the rendering engine monopoly. Apple and Microsoft browsers as well as chromium all use chrome rendering engine making them basically the same browser under the hood.

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[–] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I'm on firefox and I love it, but developing sites for chrome...

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

oh cool my favorite thread again

[–] DirtyCNC@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're reading this and not using Firefox, do yourself a favor and don't wait until 2024 to switch.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've had many problems with Firefox that always push me back to Chrome. It seems some web pages are only created with Chrome in mind. I really don't know about browser specs but I'm guessing a front-end app must have a lot of "if chrome, then; else if Mozilla then;" logic to handle specific browser interfaces or features.

Apparently some apps don't care about Mozilla and they just don't work. It's also pretty hard to tell that the issue is Mozilla, it takes me like 15m to switch to chrome and then "ahhhh.... it was the browser".

I really want to help Mozilla by using it, but I just can't under those conditions.

[–] fifisaac@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What sites are these? I've not had this in years and when there is problems the site normally says unsupported browser rather than leaving me to guess

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Mostly payment platforms

[–] DirtyCNC@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Other than YouTube, which purposefully slows Firefox down, I only ever encountered one webpage in years where the issue was 100% “caused” by my browser choice – the left pane (lesson list) in my school’s tutoring platform would not scroll due to what I assume was a trivial HTML oversight. After reporting the issue, they insisted that they would not support browsers other than ones based on Chromium and Safari and tried to convince me to switch. I don't have access to the site anymore and I did not understand web development at all back then so I could not create a patch myself; I just worked around the issue using a very tall, zoomed-out “mobile view” to reach the off-screen buttons.

[–] dog_@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

How do you switch to Firefox if you use Firefox?

[–] gsf@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Trading the article, the CEO is meeting the assigned goals exceptionally well. The CEO does not give themselves the raise per se, but the board does, right?

As it turns out, moving away from Firefox is exactly Mozilla's plan.

Earlier this year, Mozilla laid out their vision for the future of their organization -- and it did not include Firefox.  The focus for the future of Mozilla -- according to Mozilla -- is primarily based around Artificial Intelligence services.

In fact, Mozilla leadership stated, quite plainly, that they intend to take Mozilla "in a different direction."

When you consider the goals of Mozilla... the decreasing Firefox marketshare is no longer much of a concern.  In fact, moving revenue away from Firefox, while investing in A.I. systems (and other subscription services) becomes the primary goal.

[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Also librewolf, a more open version of FF without the shit like Pocket

[–] Resol@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Why wait until 2024 to switch when you can switch RIGHT NOW?

81% of mozilla's revenue is from Google. "Firefox is the only major browser not built by a company that makes money from advertising and/or selling your personal data." They just make money from the company that makes money from advertising and/or selling your personal data.

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