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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I really hope they introduce a year of social service. No matter if military, police or healthcare, everyone should experience what it feels to serve society at least once.

An interesting aspect I didn't think of so far was recently brought by German news influencer LeFloid: It adds people to the mix of police and military that wouldn't normally be there. The far-left tend to avoid them, while the far-right embraces them. This creates a dangerous imbalance between left and right views in these structures and opens up room for radicalisation.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

Correct. (Only it goes both ways - the left do get influenced by that mix during their service.)

[–] citizen@normalcity.life 3 points 1 year ago

Oh yea I can't wait to be jailed and fined if i don't want to be forced to serve for free a country that destroy the environment to mine lignite and sell weapons to saudi arabia.

[–] LemmyHead@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm totally against the military part. It's just elite people deciding on the lives of people that are not in power. And when the time is right, they'll take away your freedom of choice and mandate you to join a war. My body my rules.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't have a country without a military to defend it.

[–] LemmyHead@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

That's why people join the military voluntarily and get paid for it. My statement was only against forced military service.

Anything mandatory generally is ridiculous and counterproductive. By forcing people to do community service won't necessarily make them better citizens either. E.g. in South Korea, a lot of people got a trauma from it because (extreme) bullying is very present there. There's a good documentary about it.

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[–] aluminium@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Terrible Idea - in Austria many young men do a 9 month long social service instead of military service and many often get treated like shit.

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[–] starflower@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Since taking office at the beginning of 2023, Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has been thinking about ways to make the Bundeswehr more attractive as a career.

No amount of money or benefits will ever make me a government's boot licker. Sorry, not sorry

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Maybe you personally. But money would actually solve all their problems.

All they provide today is a shitty job with bad pay and no future prospects.

They are not finding enough soldiers because all these soft modern young adults are too selfish for that job, just like companies find no employees because those spoiled brats are too lazy to work. Obviously none of it has to do with not providing reasonable payments of course. So forced labor is the the proposed solution.

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[–] NIB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So what is the alternative? Let any authoritarian asshole who has managed to convince many boot lickers to join him, take over your country?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Austria still does

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Since taking office at the beginning of 2023, Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has been thinking about ways to make the Bundeswehr more attractive as a career.

As journalist and defense and security policy expert Thomas Wiegold told DW: "A major frustration in the Bundeswehr is the bureaucracy.

When Pistorius floated his ideas about conscription in December, he faced a barrage of criticism, including from within his own center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD).

Party co-chair Saskia Esken said it would be impossible to implement mandatory recruitment on an ad hoc basis "because the training units required for this are no longer available."

"The reintroduction of compulsory service would be a serious encroachment on the freedom of young people who want to orient themselves professionally," FDP parliamentary group leader Christian Dürr warned in an interview with the Funke Mediengruppe.

"Who would have thought around two years ago that the Bundestag would decide on setting up a special fund of €100 billion for the Bundeswehr against the backdrop of a Russian war of aggression?"


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[–] citizen@normalcity.life 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] Lols@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

forced labour is slavery

maybe folks would sign up to protect their country if they thought it deserved to be protected, or was doing anything for them

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you say the same about jury duty?

In my opinion, as long as the system for who is required to participate is fair and equitable, then it's fair to consider it a civil duty.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

the system for who is required to participate has practically never been fair and equitable, jury duty is not comparable to military service, and forced labour is slavery

civil jury duty is a really weird example to use anyway, since civil jury trials are practically non existent outside the USA

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

practically never

Soooo... sometimes.

Jury duty is also compulsory labour.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

ok

forced labour is slavery

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I believe it is a good idea, not only will it foster a closer feeling of unity and understanding between citizens, it will also be something all citizens have in common, and something you can talk about with anyone.

I am a bit sad that I never got to do it, I did muster, but failed the hearing test, at the time I was relieved, but now, I miss it sort of.

[–] Devi@beehaw.org 26 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Being forced to risk your life for something you don't believe in won't create a feeling of unity.

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[–] MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That's just dumb. War is good make friends ugh ugh bonk

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[–] citizen@normalcity.life 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If you want to bring people together create a program to do such thing. Forcing them into a shooting at people and dropping bombs course is the worst thing you could possibly come up with.

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