Selfhosted

I've been updating Nextcloud in-place (manually) for multiple major versions without any flaws. What is the problem?

I've hosted mine for years on my own bare metal Debian/Apache install and 28 is the first update that has been a major pain. I've had the occasional need to install a new package to enable a new feature, or needed to add new/missing indices to the database, but the web interface literally tells you how to do those things, so they're not hard.

28 though broke several of the "featured" apps that I use regularly, like "Retention". It also introduced some questionable UI changes that they had to fix with the recent .1 update. I'll get occasional errors when trying to move or delete files in the web interface and everything. 28 really feels like beta software, even though we're a point release in and I got it from the "stable" update channel.

I had TOTP die for one user on my Nextcloud. I tried to disable it, but it "didn't exist". I tried to enable it, but it was already enabled. It would come up when I used occ twofactorauth:state user. I ended up fixing it by (force) disabling the app and re-enabling it. It didn't break any other user's TOTP and it fixed problem-user's TOTP. No idea what went wrong, but I get these random issues with Nextcloud sometimes.

The plus side to this is I've learnt how to use Mariadb and I've gotten better at debugging things.

I didn't realize that next Cloud was so bad, might I recommend people having issues try Seafile? Also open source and I've been using it for many years without issues. It doesn't have as many features and it doesn't look as shiny but it's rock solid

Have a random meme from my instance

https://seafile.kitsuna.net/f/074ad17b12ad47e8a958/

The very same reason why I gave up on Nextcloud. Too many nasty surprises.

Currently dealing with this nonsense,

and this accompanying nonsense:

Nextcloud for me too, would break because of updates requiring manual DB updates sometimes, apps would randomly stop working after updating too, or the 2 times it caused total data loss on all my synced devices and the server itself which required a full restore from backups.

After getting rid of it and switching to Syncthing + Filebrowser + SFTPGo for WebDAV I haven't really had anything break since then (about a year now). Stuff also runs much faster, NC was extremely slow even on good hardware with all their recommended settings for performance.

For me it’s Pi-hole. For six months it runs fine, then dies so horribly I resort to snapshot rollback and we both pretend it never happened.

The snap version of nextcloud has been pretty solid for me, except for the time that I installed the nextcloud backup app.

I’m not self hosting an instance, but kbin is super fucking broken lately and it’s getting really frustrating. It’s been about a week. I submitted a ticket in their Git repo, but no response.

Not using Nextcloud. Found it a bit difficult to deploy and maintain than OwnCloud. Since then, I haven‘t had any problems with OwnCloud.

Invidious. It's to be expected for something like that though.

Paperless often randomly stops accepting new documents. I have to wait several hours or restart it.

My Nextcloud has been flawless. The only issue I've had was NFS permissions. I have automatic update setup for docker so it stays up to date.

Care to share what broke?

Invidious. It got so bad that I just gave up and switched to piped which has been... well, not perfect, but definitely far more consistent.

It is fine, but then again I update it often too late which is actually pretty bad. The problem is Nextcloud pushes new features and a high frequency schedule of releases with those at an alarming rate of speed. Perhaps for corporate environments it is not as big of a deal as a professional team can fix obscure bugs with their knowledge and experience on their mirrored test servers, but home users don't have these resources available and public community knowledge and bug fixes need time which that release schedule hinders.

I still wouldn't say it is bad by default, simply because somehow it runs pretty stable for me since a decade. Updates are a pain though with many breaking changes and little bugs.

I wish there were an alternative in a sane programming language that I could actually contribute to. For some reason PHP is extremely sparse in its logging and errors mostly only pop up on the frontend. Having to debug errors after an update and following some guide to edit a file in the live env that sets a debugging variable, puts the system in maintenance mode and stores additional state in the DB is scary.

Plus PHP is so friggin slow. Nextcloud takes noticeable time to load nearly anything. Even instances hosted by pros that only host nextcloud are just slow.

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