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List could be released as soon as Tuesday after deadline for objections to unsealing of names passes midnight Monday

Nearly 200 names connected to the Jeffrey Epstein-Ghislaine Maxwell sex trafficking conspiracy could be released by a New York judge as soon as Tuesday, exposing or confirming the identities of dozens of associates of the disgraced financier that until now have only been known as John and Jane Does in court papers.

A deadline for objections to the unsealing of the names passes at midnight on Monday, nearly nine years after victim Virginia Giuffre filed a single defamation claim against Maxwell, daughter of the late British press baron Robert Maxwell, in 2015, that in turn produced the names in legal depositions.

A year later, in 2016, US district court judge Robert Sweet rejected Maxwell’s motion to dismiss the case, finding that “the veracity of a contextual world of facts more broad than the allegedly defamatory statements” and that Guiffre “was a victim of sustained underage sexual abuse between 1999 and 2002”. The parties settled out of court in 2017.

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[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 86 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I want to see that list. I hope no names are redacted.

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 years ago

The odds of a celebrity suicide are higher today than normal

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Instead of redacting them, they should turn them into anagrams. :)

Clint Lil Nob
Abba Amok Car
Portland Mud

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Clinton and Trump were reported to have some connections, then also was one from British royalty (don't care enough to know which one), also Gates, but was Obama his friend too?

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

No, zero evidence on Obama. Proven in a court of law Trump is on there and it's widely known Bill Clinton is on there, this person is just adding a president.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Basically anyone with money or interested in Epstein's money.

[–] III@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago
[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I expected better of Mort Pudland

[–] RinseDrizzle@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lol, glad I sat a sec to solve.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Trump, no matter how you shuffle it.

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[–] TheDeepState@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I’m sure that somehow some of the names will be left off the list “by accident”.

[–] CarrotBottom@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago

There's a very wealthy foundation that will stop that from happening. And there's a reason Melinda left Bill.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Like “Trump”

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[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 62 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Something something Panama Papers... 🤬🖕🏼

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

They led to over 150 cases of severe consequences in Germany. Beginning with very high tax "recalculations", company closures, heads rolling (firings in some of the affected companies or the end of some political careers, like Bert Meestadt or Nawaz Sharif's dismissal from office) to actual imprisonments. 71 Million Euros of "additional" Taxes have already been payed, Mossack is wanted by Europol, and many many more.

Many cases are still open - justice takes time.

To say nothing happend due to the Panama Papers is just blatantly misleading and utterly untrue.

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

That's cool, but it has zero impact on everyone that isn't in Germany.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Nawaz Sharif walking back into Pakistan after taking a 4 year vacation in Europe to escape imprisonment

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the names will come out, people will make a big deal for a couple days, the authorities in charge will go "now now, you've got to understand", then people will move on to the next thing and the people in charge will go back to very publicly fucking children.

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I think you're right. We're going to see some expected names, some unexpected names, and some randoms.

The unexpected names are already working on how they'll publicly say they weren't involved like that and without any further evidence it'll all just fade.

We'll say yeah, we kinda expected that guy to be an Epstein island tourist. But hey, there are still-sitting politicians who we know this kind of thing about and their positions are unaffected.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Amazingly, they all changed their names to [REDACTED].

[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There might be breadcrumbs in the redactions. Like

  • Squee
  • [REDACTED]
  • Donkeydong Doug

Not Donkey Doug! He's my boy! I don't think of him as my boy, I think of him as my boy! Yeah, but it's more like... "That's my son right there, son." But not, like, "son-son", but, like, "my boy". But not, like...

[–] PlasmaDistortion@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That Redacted guy sure is a bad dude!

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes well to be fair he never recovered from his service in every war since WW2 across multiple theaters plus special ops stuff. I would like to see you be perfectly ethical after 9 million man-hours of combat stretched over 7 decades.

[–] Frigid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

What's the point of redaction if everyone can so easily figure out it's Steve Rogers?

[–] salami0@lemmyhub.com 2 points 2 years ago

That guy is always up to things

[–] Nix@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago

That took a while… enough to have double/triple/quadruple checked and "removed" most high profile names with any modicum of power and/or financial backing 🤔

Well I reserve my judgment until the names are published. We already know some of the entourage from previous journalists and reports.

If most names published are of unknown, foreign or already passed away individuals it would be quite suspicious indeed.

[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm really concerned as to what names have been redacted from that list.

[–] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Wich president's and national security advisers, wich business magnates and wich organised crime affiliate fucks.

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh I hope those 200 people are very uncomfortable

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

Seeing as some of them are the victims, probably.

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Out of curiosity, what exactly does being on this list mean?

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It will look bad on people who try to look ethical, but it will have no effect on those who don't. So the Clinton's would take a hit if Bill was on there, but Trump wouldn't be affected.

The right wing easily draws in one-issue voters since their primary issues are usually about taking away something from someone else, and so they don't require many resources and generally are accomplished more easily using unethical means than ethical ones. "It's just business," and all that.

Leftists tend to be more about building something rather than tearing it down. That's both more work and requires a lot of shared resources. So ethical practices are required to keep those resources from getting misused.

[–] DragonAce@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It will look bad on people who try to look ethical, but it will have no effect on those who don't. So the Clinton's would take a hit if Bill was on there.....

You mean Mr. Blowjob-in-the-Oval-Office?

[–] Goblin_Mode@ttrpg.network 6 points 2 years ago

Is getting a blowjob in the oval office unethical?

Like I know he cheated on his wife, which is unethical. But you chose to bring up the act of receiving the sloppiest top in that specific room as the damning factor and not the actual adultery which is a weird take.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

In reality? Nothing, if there’s no further evidence of the individual’s participation in Epstein’s activities. Because of the shitload of people who encountered Epstein in various social settings without participating in his illegal activities (not saying they didn’t have knowledge of his activities which I assume was an open secret among the wealthy) it will be likely be impossible to pin individuals to crimes sufficient to result in a conviction in court. Plus, being rich and powerful is a disincentive for prosecutors to pursue crimes because of all the usual reasons.

So yeah. Nothing will happen to these people.

[–] jimbo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

We don't actually know.

[–] bejergalbam@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I can't rule out "nothing" completely, with the knowledge I have. It's absolutely something we should see, though. It will sketch out the whole picture in a way that allows people to exonerate themselves or be further implicated. If it's specific enough for people to have alibis, then that's interesting, and if it's full of plausible allegations, then they could become more damning. Consider that the details of what people are "accused" is likely to vary - are they accused of being on a plane with other witnesses? Who is accused of having extensive opportunities to have committed abuses during their stay on the island? What was the pretense for their involvement with Epstein and Maxwell? It puts people in a position to explain what they did or did not know about Jeffrey Epstein at the time, and for those claims to be cross-checked, where possible. Close contacts of the accused may be prompted to add additional information from their recollections or records, if they learn that they had been lied to. Another possibility is that the allegations are frustratingly vague and don't actually create a clear picture of any criminal behavior.

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[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That they were requested to testify or give testimony about their experiences related to Gislanes activity on Epsteins island.

They're asked to testify because of other people's testimony, flight logs, pictures, etc. that place them on the island at some point.

What they were doing there is debatable, but there are implications; at best they were hanging with a shady dude.

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[–] RoosterBoy@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The fact that any names are redacted at all is proof that the only real solution is the guillotine.

[–] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Let's rob the guillotine in the Museum of the Prefecture of Paris, and place it back on the street.

I personally recommend Epstine's old street as a warning or a promise.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

This is going to be interesting for the news cycle! Trump obviously, but who else? So Bill Clinon, Bill Gates, who else!

More importantly, where did they touch and how long did they touch for?

[–] zxk@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Glad the names are being released.

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