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British politics risks an unprecedented shift to the far right as a result of public disillusionment if a Labour government fails to enact radical change, the former shadow chancellor John McDonnell has warned.

Writing in the Guardian, McDonnell said the threat would come not just from Nigel Farage’s resurgent Reform UK but from the return of a Conservative party “shorn” of its moderate wing and dominated by populists.

McDonnell, who served in the shadow cabinet under Jeremy Corbyn, reflected the views of others on his party’s left who are impatient with what they regard as Labour’s too-cautious approach. “The central messaging of Keir Starmer’s electoral strategy is that he’s not Jeremy Corbyn and that Labour is not the disaster that is the Conservative party,” he said.

McDonnell pointed to the polling figures of Reform UK, reaching as high as 11%, as evidence of “how a far-right populist programme can pull the major parties on to a rightwing agenda”.

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[–] TawdryPorker@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's a lot of people who don't like the label fascism but just fucking love what fascism does. I think the problem is that a lot of people don't understand how complex the world is and fascism always tells them that their stupid, lazy thinking is correct. Universal suffrage is the only way to that democracy can work in this day and age and I would literally fight to save it... but boy does it come with some downsides.

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

The definition of fascism is a society where the needs of the individual are subsumed by the needs of the state. I'm not sure I understand how you are using the word here.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


British politics risks an unprecedented shift to the far right as a result of public disillusionment if a Labour government fails to enact radical change, the former shadow chancellor John McDonnell has warned.

Writing in the Guardian, McDonnell said the threat would come not just from Nigel Farage’s resurgent Reform UK but from the return of a Conservative party “shorn” of its moderate wing and dominated by populists.

McDonnell, who served in the shadow cabinet under Jeremy Corbyn, reflected the views of others on his party’s left who are impatient with what they regard as Labour’s too-cautious approach.

McDonnell pointed to the polling figures of Reform UK, reaching as high as 11%, as evidence of “how a far-right populist programme can pull the major parties on to a rightwing agenda”.

Farage has continued to keep people guessing about his intentions of a return to politics, which could involve coming back as the leader of Reform or joining the Conservatives.

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[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

I'd think they would still be a little sour from how their last shift to the far right worked out for them when they decided to tell all their trading partners to fuck off and gave up their ability to travel freely in exchange for the ability to be more cruel to immigrants.

[–] rayquetzalcoatl@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

Guess we're risking a shift to the far right then lol

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

They should wait until after they win the election before they start squabbling like this.

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

lmao red tories arent going to radically change anything, except maybe go more to the right than the actual tories

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

We need to ditch FPTP. It's the right who have been benefiting from it. We are quite a progressive country, it's just that is split over multiple parties. Even a tip of a wing of the Conservatives. On the whole, the right is more stuck together in the form of the Conservatives.

Only 2015 that didn't have a progressive majority of the vote. I'd argue that was because people mistakenly thought Cameron's "hug a hoodie" Conservatives were progressive.

I think we need some thing like Mixed Member Proportional Representative or Range voting.

[–] Biohazard@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course John McDonald would say that. He probably things labour is rather right wing.

[–] peg@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

He wouldn't be wrong.