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About a week ago, I finally made the decision to flash GrapheneOS on my Pixel 6. I've been thinking about moving to GrapheneOS for months but was afraid to do so because of missing functionalities or app incompatibility that would result in my Pixel 6 becoming unusable. Even though I could just re-flash stock Android should I encounter those issues, I didn't want to bother.

However, last week, I decided to set aside my fears and made the move to GrapheneOS. Whatever fears or concerns I had about missing functionalities or app incompatibilities were completely unfounded. Flashing of GrapheneOS was really easy, thanks to the instructions they provided on their website. The sandboxed Google Play environment still allowed me to download the key apps I needed, whether it be the mobile game that I'm currently playing or a smart home app (e.g. Ring) or a banking app (e.g. Chase). They all worked as expected, though my banking apps required me to turn on Exploit Protection Compatibility Mode, something that was explained to me in one of the Graphene Discussion Boards. Android Auto was another app that I needed for driving, and thanks to the latest update that was made by the GrapheneOS makers, I had no issues in setting up Android Auto to work with my car. That was a huge relief for me!

That being said, there is one thing that is not working, but it's not that important of a feature for me, and that is NFC. Prior to making the move, I did not use NFC that much for payments, although my car app did have a Remote Key function that relied on NFC. As far as I can tell, it looks like NFC is not usable in GrapheneOS. There's probably a good security and/or privacy reason for this, but I do wish something could be implemented for it, as it can be quite convenient. Again, it's not that important of a feature for me to have right now...more of a "nice to have" feature...but I wonder if the GrapheneOS developers are looking into this.

Anyways, it's only been a week since I made the move. I'm sure more use cases will come up the more I use GrapheneOS, and instead of fear, I find myself excited at testing out more apps and functionalities on the OS. Traveling is one scenario I have not yet tried, but that's because I'm not leaving town to go anywhere. That's one set of scenarios that I look forward to trying out.

If anyone has any other advices or information they have about their experience with GrapheneOS, I would welcome it. And for those who are still undecided about moving to GrapheneOS, I hope this post relieves some of your anxieties or worries about making the transition.

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[–] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 34 points 1 year ago

NFC for security related things relies on certificates that belong to Google. GrapheneOS / LineageOS etc could make their own and put forward to the banks/credit card companies/car companies etc but the likelihood that they'd get them signed and approved is basically nil.

Pretty much the same core issue that means you can't run streaming services at 4K outside mainstream devices like Chromecast or Nvidia Shield etc. You can't make it work on a HTPC or a cheap Android TV stick from AliExpress, because it lacks the certificates to authenticate to Netflix etc. As well as HDCP and other DRM which is needed.

[–] almizilero@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Graphene is amazing! Switched from Calyx last week and couldn't be happier. Scopes are the best thing ever. App "needs" to read contacts? Yeah, you can read the one fake contact that the scope allows you to.

[–] heygooberman@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the Scopes feature is really nice! I often wonder why some apps require reading every single contact or need access to every folder/directory in your phone. In my use case, there are a few apps that require access to storage or contacts, but thanks to Scopes, I can limit it to just a specific folder or a small group of contacts. Everything else is off limits, and I like that.

[–] dracs@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I swapped to it at the start of the year. I've been really enjoying it so far. I'm down to a single app which requires Google Play Services installed. As it's only one app I've created a second profile specifically for it and only have Google services installed in that one. I've disallowed it running in the background too, so my phone is never running the services outside the brief times I need to use the app.

Losing contactless payments was a minor inconvenience, but I picked up one of the cases which can fit a couple of cards inside as an alternative.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I honestly don't understand why people cling to the contactless payment as this thing they can't possibly fathom losing. It's moderately more convenient, sure, but you're still pulling a thing out of your pocket and putting it up to the machine. It doesn't seem like that big of a loss to me for all the benefits of being on graphene or lineage.

[–] DrFuggles@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally my phone is my backup wallet though contactless payments. I may forget to bring my wallet with me, but never my phone .

[–] shiftymccool@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I was 2500 miles from home and lost my wallet. I don't use Google pay often at all, but it was a life saver that day. Even if I don't use it, it's nice to have a an option

[–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been really considering switching to grapheneOs, But I'm a therapist and we have to use Google voice for our office numbers. Does Google voice still ring through if it's in a sandboxed environment?

[–] bagelberger@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yes, it works for me

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[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My only problem with GrapheneOS is when I record the screen on Vanadium browser it doesn't capture the audio

I'd like to see some features as:

  1. Block Screenshot whole system

  2. True Black Mode to make the most of the OLED screen

  3. Extreme Power Saving

  4. Block recharging when it reaches 80% to preserve battery health

[–] any1th3r3@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  1. Although not OOTB, I can recommend SaverTuner for that.

I don't know if is a good option because I need to use adb to write some settings this could break the security model of the system but thanks for your recommendation

[–] dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

my Pixel 6 doesn't stop charge when reaches 80% and there is not an option to enable this feature

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[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NFC works, you just cannot use it for Google Pay.

Why would you use Google Pay if you care about privacy? It's not like credit cards have been decommissioned.

[–] heygooberman@lemmy.today 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh, I don't use Google Pay with NFC. Prior to flashing GOS on my Pixel 6, the only time I used NFC was to unlock my car when I didn't have the physical key fob with me. That was done through my car manufacturer's mobile app (BMW). However, when I went to set up the digital key after flashing GOS, the app told me that it couldn't set up the digital key, because I was using an unsupported version of Android.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, I replied to you but was reading another comment.

The fault is not of GrapheneOS, but of reliance on Google Play Services

[–] heygooberman@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

That's alright!

Yeah, I think there's another comment on this post that mentioned the same thing.

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm in a similar place as the OP.

One question I have is about Vanadium. This is chrome based, right? Is it really the best/most secure browser? Aren't the better secured flavors of Firefox better (LibreWolf, Fennic, etc.)?

[–] thejevans@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It depends. I use GrapheneOS to avoid Google as much as possible, not to be the most secure thing in the world. I use Firefox with addons for a much less annoying browsing experience.

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[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (13 children)

The GrapheneOS team has written extensively on why they advise against the use of Firefox in their Usage Guide.

[–] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Everything the Gos team does it's from a Security perspective and nothing more. There is no issue with FF, they are simply stating that of you have extreme security concerns (threat model of avoiding NK nation state actors for example) you should use the browser they spent all this effort hardening and to work specifically with GOS

[–] LoveSausage@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rather that if you ever accidently clicked on anything you shouldn't, you would probably be better off if you used vanadium and not Firefox.

[–] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I certainly don't disagree, but I do believe the issues of FF are exaggerated. It's a fav amongst the tech community (which includes infosec nerds) for a reason still, and is the baseline for the Tor project and even Mullvads wonderful browser, not to mention LibreWolf.

[–] LoveSausage@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Don't get me wrong I do use Firefox myself , just not on android. The reason for using FF in onion project is that FF allows proxy needed for Tor. The aim is only privacy , security as a by product. As such they need to take a lot of measures against fingerprinting and remove functionality that others have. So all the projects have their own justification. But using tor browser as intended for daily use would be a real pain.

[–] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Agreed on everything. There is a huge cross and or line between privacy and security, sometimes they overlap, sometimes they conflict.

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[–] heygooberman@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You beat me to it! I was gonna mention the same thing. However, I don't think it may be that big of a deal if you use Firefox or some flavor of it. The one term I often hear about GrapheneOS and other AOSPs like it is "threat model", and depending on that model, you may not necessarily be impacted if you decide to use something other than the stock browser.

That's not to say the GrapheneOS developers are wrong in their Usage Guide. I'm sure they looked into this extensively, hence the usage guide.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Odd, I have used NFC before on lineage OS, but not for payments, obviously.

[–] bradboimler@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago

This only affects payments using nfc as graphene os certificate would not match Googles.

[–] Shamot@jlai.lu 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have no problem using NFC with GrapheneOS on a Pixel 4A.

[–] heygooberman@lemmy.today 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What's your use case for NFC on your Pixel 4A?

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[–] livestreamedcollapse@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

The one thing I've had issues with has been sending files to other devices over Bluetooth, but receiving hasn't been a problem. Has anyone else had this issue & been able to fix it?

[–] jadedwench@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You had me almost convinced to try this on mine up until the NFC. I use contactless payments on mine at 90% of the places I shop, so that is a deal breaker for me.

[–] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

NFC works fine on GOS, however, Google does not consider it a approved os so itb failure attestation, any form of NFC payment will not work because of this. It's not because of GOS or hardware, it's literally Google being cunts.

Just to be clear NFC works fine, you can use Yubikeys all day, and certain other NFC style tokens like a train ticket or what have you do work as well.

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[–] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can you not just get one of those wallet-cases and put your contactless card in the same place as your phone?

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[–] pescetarian@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Аnd all your privacy ends when you insert a SIM card into your phone. Not sarcasm, but kind of....

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