What if I hate both?
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You… you cant… you just can’t do that.
I hate Elon because he is a capitalist crushing the working class, an alt-right con artist and takes credit for things he didn’t do.
I hate Taylor because she is a performative liberal who espouses progressive politics but doesn’t follow through making her a hypocrite.
I hate both because they are billionaires and neither should have been able to accumulate as much wealth as they have.
I hate Taylor because she is a performative liberal who espouses progressive politics but doesn’t follow through making her a hypocrite.
I'm curious, I thought she wasn't very political (just basic human decency stuff). What does she espouse and doesn't follow through with?
IMHO that critique is fundamentally flawed. She's selling a service (concerts) and for that she needs to fly. So all that CO2 is caused by the concert goers. Without the concert goers she wouldn't need a jet. Of course, then it's also a negligible amount. And presumably she isn't flying to jets like side by side, but only uses(used) one at a time.
About the other suggestion in that article, I do not want billionaires to use their money for political purposes. This is responsibility of the voters and the government. Ideally billionaires shouldn't exist but at the very least they should not control our politics with money.
But the real fundamental flaw is that this is a distraction. We need sweeping systematic change and focusing on individuals works against discussing that. Where is the manhattan project to R&D our industrial processes and services to not require carbon? Instead we get this kind of propaganda and "let the free market solve it". Well what Swift does is the best the market offers. Well maybe she could switch to a Celera 500L. But maybe the concert goers should just go to concerts of local artists instead, or superstars that fly low energy jets. Lol.
I honestly have to give props to FOX news. Or the think tank that came up with this strategy to focus on Swift.
She needs to pollute so she can keep singing isn’t the defense you think it is. If anything it’s evidence of her own selfish belief that the environment shouldn’t affect her money train.
I’m sure streaming residuals and the metric tons of marketing deal money are more than enough for her to slow down and find an ethical way to travel.
She needs to pollute so she can keep singing isn’t the defense you think it is.
No, concert goers are doing the polluting. If Swift retires then you'd get other superstars using Jets instead.
It's a systemic problem, so the strategy is to distract from the immensity of change needed. We're not even remotely talking about what would need to be done. Basically focusing on taylor swift isn't much different from greenwashing or outright climate change denial. Criticizing swift helps PREVENTS action on climate change.
It’s not the person organizing the event and flying people out. It’s those poor peasants that dared attend. What an argument to make.
Someone else would fly the jet is also, not a coherent defense because someone else isn’t doing that. She’s flying her own private jet right now.
It’s a systemic problem, yes. So criticize all aspects of the system to show how inherently flawed it is. All private jet travel by all celebrities should be criticized. Suddenly when it’s not Elon tons of defenders need to tell us how we should look the other way and how there’s nothing important here in this identical situation.
If anyone is trying to prevent anything, it’s Taylor sycophants throwing themselves to defend her from valid criticism.
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Bro, she flies home after almost every concert instead of staying in a hotel.
She needs to fly? Sure. She needs to fly this much? Nope.
Sure, I don't give a shit about Swift or her music either. My problem is the overly (hypocritical) focus on her, the strong language ("hate her"), the reason why this critique works so well (misogyny) and that it distract from climate action, and that it's propaganda started on fox news.
This is an example of why we won't do shit about climate change. We'll burn every last bit of fossil fuel and do nothing about adaptation and then have a bunch of wars and genocides. These are the mechanisms why. That's what's pissing me off.
But how is making money off the music she created unethical?
It isn’t inherently unethical to make money off of music.
If you’re implying that she is an ethical billionaire though then I have bad news for you.
I thought the saying "there are no good billionaires"was because of the wage theft, unethical labour practices and tax evasion almost all billionaires commit to become a billionaire. AFAIK she didn't do any of that. I think she is the first ethical billionaire.
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Can't I be upset with both of them for different reasons
mf no. no u cannot. Pick one.
as much as I hate billionaires, it is kinda sus how disproportionately online goobers seem to hate swift. Its even worse when you consider she's probably the only billionaire that works for a living
Yup. Tom Cruise, Jim Carrey, and Steven Spielberg have private jets too. Many more lease them.
Sure let's talk about how it's not cool to use a private jet, but maybe let's not be hyper fixated on a woman that owns a private jet. Kinda makes it very suspicious that people actually just have an issue with a woman being successful.
None of them sent a cease and desist to a 19 year old kid, because he was broadcasting publicly available data about their private jets. Taylor and Elon did.
Just in the last week or so Swift sent a cease and desist to the kid tracking her and other celebrities jets, aka already publicly available information. Just like when Elon tried to stop him, by trying to stop him she has Streisand effected the situation.
If and when Tom Cruise, Jim Carrey, or Steven Spielberg send their own cease and desist, then we can start making jet memes about them, too. Until then, they've got other shitty things we can bring up. Cruise is a cultist, Jim Carrey is/was an anti-vaxxer, and Spielberg... actually, I can't think of anything else for him, let the Spielberg jet memes commence I guess.
Even billionaires can't escape sexism
Please don't bring misogyny into this
We shame her because unlike all the other billionaires, she actually cares about her image, and shaming her actually works
She recently tried to sue someone for tracking her jet, that's why she's catching a lot of heat right now. It isn't sus, its the same reaction musk got when he tried to do the same thing to the same person in 2022/23
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They both billionares. Feed them to the orphan crushing machine.
All billionaires are bad.
Both of 'em
Elon Musk is invulnerable to cricitism because he cares about nothing and listens to nothing.
Taylor Swift can have her mind changed, it has already happened in the past, and she cares about her image. Criticism of her has a chance to land.
Also, it has nothing to do with the teenage girls. We hate the jet. The jet isn't even in the top 10 of things we hate about Elon.
Fuck people who hate on Swift for misogynistic reasons, but also fuck swifties who brush valid criticism off as misogyny.
And to this blatant whataboutism I can just say: humans are able to criticize more than one person. Yes, fuck Elon Musk, he is worse in uncountable more ways than her, but this fact doesn’t protect Taylor from also being criticized.
I hate her for using Ticketmaster. We're not the same.
Porque lo nos dos?
On a more serious note, this is actually a perfect demonstration of why intersectionality is vital, and how classism and sexism intersect - this isn't, and shouldn't be reduced to "either/or", we can hate and fight against billionaires for being exploitative oppressive capitalists, and misogynists who only hate Swift for being a woman singing for other women..
You honestly think I don't have enough hate in my heart for 2 rich assholes flying around in private jets?
its weird how this is implying that there are people who don't hate elon musk.
I think Taylor gets a lot of hate because many people want her to be a role model for young adults.
When she inevitably fails to live up to everyone's standards, this is what ensues.
It's hilarious to watch.
Also, nobody is holding musk up as a role model. At least, not for young adults.
The internet being disproportionately angry at a woman rather than a man?
That can't be right.
they only meme on her because she might prevent trump
The idea we don't hate on Musk is genuinely insane. His hate subreddit even got brought over (!enoughmuskspam@lemmy.world).
You could've chosen literally any other billionaire and you would've had a point.
Why not both?
If people don't notice how much more society hates women for doing the same things men get away with everyday, they simply haven't been paying attention.
If they're only just now having it pointed out to them, after participating in the latest hate campaign, they're motivated not to understand because they don't want to recognise their own behaviour as misogynistic.
Talking about how they "hate both" might be true for any one person, but that doesn't change the wider trend.
They are both bad people for different reasons. Taylor is just a corporation in human form. She regularly fucks people.
of all the places, you posted this on the fediverse?
I'm fine with all the billionaire hate, although I'm getting a little tired of people beating the now unrecognizable, gooey pile of horse vicera that is photoshopping airplanes into pictures (or just having ai generate a picture) and posting it as "Taylor Swift doing x"
It's like half my feed these days.
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