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I understand when people speak about the ethical problems with eating meat, but I think they do not apply to fish.

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[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Farmed fish is probably not too bad by comparison but.. wild caught fish hell no. We’re speed running fucking up the ocean ecosystem and ruining the aquatic biosphere. It always alarms me when I see a change to the species of fish used in “generic budget oven-cook battered fish fillets”. It doesn’t even seem possible to make wild catch fishing sustainable, unlike every other form of animal husbandry where you could argue it’s more of a technical challenge.

Hmm now I realise I’m a hypocrite. Think I’ll stop eating fish

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"It's okay to eat fish 'cause they don't have any feelings." - Nirvana

[–] Rinna@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Could depend on the fish species in question? Lionfish for example is extremely invasive in the Southern USA, so environmental agencies have been encouraging people to eat them to curb their population, potentially making it a more ethical choice. I've been seeing it pop up more and more, but it doesn't seem to have caught on too much.

But we should definetly limit our consumption though when it comes to more threatened/overfished species. There's also some unethical fishing practices out there such as removing sharks' fins then stranding them, causing harm to cetaceans, and other environmentally destructive fishing techniques.

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is unethical to kill fish. If one must eat fish, wait for it to be in a position like death where it won't get in the way of anything. Fish are no different from other animals.

[–] Alue42@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

He's my conundrum with that. Other species will not go after animals that are close to death. I've worked with a lot of wild animals. The thinking is that if it is dead or close to death they will leave it to the scavengers since they don't want to risk contracting whatever killed it. Bears, eagles, so many animals are going to hunt healthy fish - bears specifically go after the salmon about to spawn and pass on their genes.

Hunting is part of nature, and not just with fish.

I understand the issue with industrialized/commercial kills, but is hunting also off the table in your train of thought? I mean this as a genuine question, not an attack, I know tone of voice is often lost through text.

Is hunting/fishing off the table for us as the species with higher intellect? We do not have as robust immune systems as the scavengers of nature do, so waiting for things to be in a position near death is worrisome to me. Whereas hunting/fishing (again, not the industrialized practice, but individual) is how conservation of species was born by developing species limits and it's how some species levels continue to be kept in check (for instance, invasive lion fish in the US South East)

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What if you kill the fish without warning or pain?

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It still wouldn't be preferred.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

My entire ethical framework for what animals are ok to eat is wether or not it's cute.

I say eat them.

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[–] deadcatbounce@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago

Cries in Gen X.

Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times. -- G. Michael Hopf, Those Who Remain (The New World )

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see two concerns, humanitarian and ecological. The ecological concern is only a problem with overconsumption. The humanitarian concern I don't think applies to fish since they are dumb.

[–] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What about bycatch? That's a factor in both. Also ecological: the fact that most of the plastic waste in the sea (and on earth in general) is from fishing. Also, not all seafood is dumb. Octopus is one of the smartest things out there and we eat that. Lobsters have been shown to feel pain and we boil them alive.

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[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is ethical to eat fish and meat.

[–] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 1 points 1 year ago

Very well thought out.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life.

This is necessary.

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