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[–] brunofin@lemm.ee 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"how do we hold our fire when they’re advancing on us?” Putin told reporters.

By leaving. You leave. That's how you do it.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, it won't be. You can have peace when you GTFO of Ukraine.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Agreed. So why is the west sabotaging all possible peace deals?

[–] KrimsonBun@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Russia does not want unconditional surrender, which is the only option for peace.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Minsk accords were a reasonable compromise, but the Americans never let the Ukrainians hold up their end of the bargain. There were then going to be peace talks between Zelenskyy and Putin personally in March 2022 but then the NATO capitalists jetted in Boris Johnson to talk Zelenskyy out of it.

Russia's entirely reasonable and very public requests have not changed since 2008 at least.

[–] Tilted@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

2008, when Russian forces invaded Georgia?

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A short but crucial intervention to stop the killings of innocent civilians, as the US backed Georgian leader started killing South Ossetians and Abkazians in a severe escalation of the regional conflict. A conflict once again spurred on by the US.

There are a great many parallels to the post-Madan situation in Ukraine, parallels one should be careful to learn for they will be developed and exploited elsewhere before the US empire is vanquished.

[–] Tilted@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reads like Russian propaganda. Does anyone believe this?

[–] keyboardpithecus@lemmy.basedcount.com 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Russian Duma already voted for the annexation of the occupied territories. The article does not state what would be the legal status of the region. It says that many point of the proposal are secret, but I got the feeling that a non trivial point is glossed over.

[–] Tarte@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It’s one step further even: They already voted for the annexation of territories that they did never occupy. It’s ludicrous. Russia doesn’t know it’s own exact border claims as these were never specified.

[–] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 11 points 2 years ago

“Let me have my way in Africa and maybe I’ll stop being such a prick in Ukraine (I won’t be, though, lol).”

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Jackson Hinkle has a vid on this. Countetpoint to popular opinion though, be warned.

youtube.com/watch?v=hajBsd0n8qA

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