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[–] filister@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Prove me wrong that this has nothing to do with the fact that China became the world's biggest auto exporter last year and this is a desperate way for the US to try to protect their own auto industry.

Free market, my bottom.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Well, it's more than that. China is actively trying to dump on the market. Selling things at a loss so they can kill and steal market share.

Sorta what Amazon did early on but on a global scale.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You do realise that you have described just now what all startups are doing in the US. Like look at WhatsApp, Facebook, etc. they were working for years if not decades on a massive loss in an attempt to more or less monopolize the segment, backed by the deep pockets of their investors.

And I think it is only fair if you demand the same level of scrutiny to all companies involved in such practices.

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[–] TheMalWare@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

FREE* MARKET!

*=within the US

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol no, that hasnt been true for a long time.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago
  • = within the US**

** = if you're born into money

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I made it too late to this thread and now all the top comments are corporate shill posts for the big 3 American OEMs who already outsourced the hell out of their production lines meaning none of their points about protection or votes has been valid for at least 15 years.

Even if Mexico magically invented their own cheap EV, you better bet the USA will have that blocked or at the very least smacked with a huge tariff for no reason beyond protecting some megacorp profits.

They already lobbied for all these stupid rules against JDM back when Japan proved it could make superior cars for cheap. Then, it took them decades to enter the US market locally by building factories and whatnot.

Biden is blocking because China bad and muh lobbyist profits, not because there's an actual issue of safety or security.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Same with Huawei, they blocked their phones and telecommunication equipment and never managed to show any proof that the Chinese government is actually snooping on their equipment.

And it is not like the US doesn't have a proven track record of pushing American suppliers to put backdoors and pretty much doing exactly what they accused Huawei and indirectly China of doing.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Every accusation a confession.

They accuse China of doing it because it's what they are or would do.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago

You also likely have Michigan as a swing state this year, which means protecting the American auto industry.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think the new Chinese made Volvo is one of the more interesting cars coming out this year. It’s $35k… AFTER the 27.5% tariff on Chinese made cars. Meaning, Volvo is actually selling this for $27k. The car is super minimal inside, but manufacturing in China is clearly allowing them to reduce costs a shit load.

US auto manufacturing would be so screwed if these things could be sold without the tariff.

Edit: also worth noting, they’re going to be leasing these direct in many states. No dealer markup.

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

US Auto manufacturers have screwed themselves and the US public with their current production values.

Happened in the 1970s, and Honda and Toyota ran wild. Unfortunately US automakers are more important, it seems, than those that bought their cars.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fossil fuel production is the only reason he can say the economy is doing well.

We have record breaking production levels

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It helps that we're still ran by geriatrics that literally have no stake in the world beyond the short term.

And American geriatrics largely despise the generations that came after them. Most not only don't want to plant trees whose shade they will never sit in, like those in a decent society would, they want to burn the trees they sat under out of spite and vanity. This tree is theirs, and all those trees over there! Make your own trees, filthy taker future people!

This is where encouraging greed and selfishness, oh I'm sorry, "rugged individualism and rational-self-interest" as our core cultural values leads, oblivion.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

We also can't understate the amount of lobbying that American "manufacturers" do even when their vehicles are assembled outside of America.

Corporate profits count for GDP, so cheap foreign cars that are good for consumers makes "the economy" look bad. Because it's all about how the wealthiest are doing, not how an average American is doing.

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[–] brlemworld@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whenever I hear the economy is doing well I generally just think that they mean the stock market is doing well. The economy of the working class's standard of living, health, and persuit of happiness is awful.

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[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Because China bad, obviously

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

America numba one!

In oil production

[–] ExfilBravo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If people want something they should be able to have it. If they are good enough for the EU they are good enough for the US.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The EU also protects its manufacturers by taxing Chinese cars, but the tariffs isn’t nearly as punishing as America’s.

I’d love for the US to start by cutting the tariff to something more reasonable.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Racism and chauvinism with corruption and cronyism mixed in

[–] pudcollar@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Not surprised, considering the equivalent tariffs on the import of solar modules under Biden, Trump and Obama.

[–] books@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean we see their cheap shitty batteries catching on fire in bikes, hoverboards, phones, laptops.. Can you imagine their cars going up in flames?

[–] filoria@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] books@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's and that's "reputable company" ... Just wait until it's RECOMBAXCKS or whatever hey will sell on amazing n.

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[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Let me picture it... weird, it looks like a Tesla.

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[–] cobra89@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes Trump imposed the tariff but since Biden didn't cancel it he gets the title of the article. What 🤡 shit.

Also as another commenter pointed out, these vehicles would never pass NHTSA standards anyway.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Correct, the person who has the power to change this right now gets in the title, because they have the power to change this right now and choose not to.

Same with every policy Bush/Obama/Trump admins implemented yet Biden maintains, from torture facilities in foreign countries to blowing up children in Yemen to increased restrictions of Cuba.

[–] IgnatiusJReilly@lemmy.wtf 4 points 1 year ago

Biden has to lead an increase in charging infrastructure. By the time that was underway (and automakers made some realistic affordable EVs) I think things would change.

And trucks with clean diesel genny powered plug-in Hybrids.

[–] Dra@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

Well he is a politician, so its fairly likely this is something politicial...

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


And it’s just one of many BYD electric cars on offer, from the compact e2/e3 hatchback and sedan (think a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla) to the full-size, luxe Han EV, a more expensive option nonetheless selling for under $33,000 in China (it costs more than double that in Europe).

“There’s almost an across-the-board apprehension about Chinese EVs, even though they would make an important contribution to [lower] CO2 emissions,” Gary Clyde Hufbauer, a veteran trade expert at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, says.

They took the “opposite of the Tesla approach”: starting not with luxury vehicles but ultra-cheap cars fit for taxi fleets and not much else, and constantly improving their early inexpensive prototypes.

Bloomberg reported earlier this month that the Biden administration is formulating rules that would limit US sales of Chinese-made parts, even if they’re in vehicles ultimately assembled in the US or Mexico.

As Frank Foer detailed in his book The Last Politician, this faction was brought into the Biden coalition partly through his now-National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan.

During the Trump years, Sullivan forged an alliance with the trade-skeptics and “broke bread with Elizabeth Warren disciples, labor union officials, and intellectuals from left-leaning think tanks.” Sullivan is also, notably, a major China hawk — Foer describes him as agreeing with Donald Trump that China is “eating our lunch” — leading to a hostility to trade with the country that meshed easily with that of trade skeptics who have for decades opposed exposing US manufacturing workers to foreign competition.


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[–] Psiczar@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

They probably don’t meet US safety requirements?

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