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[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 123 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Let me copy pasta myself here to save time and just say - they are already murdering us in the millions, any harm that might come to them is an act of self defence.

Look around - the violence is already here, it has been inflicted on to the working class for centuries, killing hundreds of millions (at least, in all that time) for profit in war, with hunger and restricted access to water, with homelessness and poverty, with preventable disease, with climate change, with immoral laws and entire systems designed to keep large segments of the population as slave labour, which is what they used to gain their power and wealth to be in the position to impose all of this in the first place. And all that just off the top of my head, there is so much more violence that is inflicted on us daily, they've just got most people convinced that's just life, when it really really isn't. And those who actually benefit are never just going to give all of that up.

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[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 85 points 2 years ago (5 children)

They can live, but it has to be on 60k a year, with all of their initial assets liquidated and used to support people in need.

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.fmhy.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

yeah i'm fine with that but not murder like a lot of people here say they want

[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 63 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I think most of us start with the assumption that they'll never give up their stranglehold willingly, and move on to more practical solutions.

[–] Seraph@kbin.social 33 points 2 years ago (3 children)

They need to make the choice: pay a lot more taxes, or take the second option. I'm not threatening violence, but as our society gets more desperate the targets on their backs get larger.

There are 756 billionaires in the US and 330 million of us. Once that becomes clear to people things might change, one way or the other. All other "culture wars" are noise generated to distract from this one.

[–] gabe@literature.cafe 11 points 2 years ago

Shameless displays of excess wealth is increasingly being met with more and more cultural hostility, especially amongst younger people. Gen Zers are highly likely to view people who flaunt their wealth or indulge heavily in luxury goods as being tacky or just generally negatively. The hostility as the climate crisis increases will only increase as well.

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[–] Poob@lemmy.ca 72 points 2 years ago (22 children)

I want them to give up their wealth and power for the benefit of society. But they aren't going to do that, are they?

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Billionaires is a weird group of people to choose to speak up for.

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[–] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes. Your a naive fool.

Unironically choosing the lives of some of the most vile despicable people to have ever lived over the lives of 50,000x as many completely normal people.

I want to eradicate their genomes.

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[–] StarlightRose@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I personally am a pacifist, but the billionaires will not be missed if the general public decides to

I don't advocate for it, I just won't miss them

Keanu can stay though

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I believe it was Twain that said "I've never wished a man dead, but there are obituaries that I have read with great satisfaction."

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 47 points 2 years ago

...And?

Murder can be just without being legal.

The murder of billionaires, and CEOs of oil companies (along with all other oil executives) is morally justified, even if it's not legal.

[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 40 points 2 years ago

It's them or us

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Murdering people is wrong.

People work together to build a society that helps those who cannot help themselves.

By this metric, billionaires aren't people.

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[–] _jonatan_@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

I don’t want to murder them specifically, but I doubt they will let us take all their stolen wealth without a fight.

[–] unfnknblvbl@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's only murder if you subscribe to the "meat is murder" mantra...

[–] KaleDaddy@reddthat.com 11 points 2 years ago

I think meat is murder, but i still think we should kill billionaires.

The same way I wouldn't kill a cow for a burger, but Id defend myself if some wild animal was trying to kill me.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago
[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 years ago

Yes.

In Minecraft, of course.

[–] TinyPizza@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So OP, I'm unsure how to ask this, but you wouldn't happen to be... Say... A billionaire would you?

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[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

murder is murder... but some murders are definitely less... crime-y than others

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They're coming for you, whether you fight back or not.

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[–] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago

Killing insects isn't murder. It's pest control.

[–] alycat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For me it's a case of where the end justifies the means. While murder is terrible and I'd personally feel bad if I had to take another life, it'd be for the greater good of our species (as well as every other lifeform on this planet) if the world was suddenly ridded of a billionaire or two... or more...

I do recognise that this is a slippery slope in justifying homicide, but what is the alternative?

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[–] Sanctus@crystals.rest 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Let the free market decide.

[–] superpants@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But the free market is rigged by the billionaires

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[–] MinusPi@pawb.social 22 points 2 years ago

Shamelessly, yes.

[–] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 years ago

Proof that people from off of Blahaj zone are weak

[–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not only murder, also torture.

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[–] noxy@yiffit.net 17 points 2 years ago

..do you not?

[–] Juice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 years ago

Sorry, I'm just hangry. Lab grown billionare meat just doesn't have the same kick.

[–] RagTheMan@beehaw.org 15 points 2 years ago

I am a starving child and this is the last post I will see before I die. Goodbye

[–] HopeDrone@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Yes I do, even if there was a better way.

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[–] xedrak@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m sorry, but this point of view is so brain-dead to me. What do you think happens when a billionaire dies? The money magically disappears? It’s redistributed to the masses? No, it’s inherited by relatives. Killing billionaires only creates different billionaires. How about we use our brains and come up with actual solutions rather than parroting brain-dead bullshit?

[–] R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 2 years ago (10 children)

You're taking the argument at it's most basic level, assuming that we would kill the billionaires and then sit around twiddling out thumbs. I don't think it's much of a leap to assume we'd change how the system works as well lol.

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[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If you assassinated or executed all the billionaires in the world nothing would change. They are just figureheads at the top of a big corporate mound. Yes they are absurdly personally rich, but the majority of that wealth is tied up in the value of companies that they own - the companies wouldn't go anywhere, and they would continue to do the same bullshit with or without a billionaire at the top.

[–] That_Mad_Scientist@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I wish more people would understand this. If you remove the capitalists, capitalism will just make more. You need to remove capitalism, though obviously the capitalists will fight you on that and you may want to remove them from the system anyway. In either case, a lot of eat the rich discourse sounds like it's out of spite and not in search of actual solutions.

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