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Ok so by claiming that trans women having the equal right to access women’s spaces goes against cis women’s rights you are implying that trans women are the danger. We are not. Also, if a man wants to hurt women in women’s spaces a sign on a door isn’t going to stop him. There is no need for a man to pretend to be a woman to be able to hurt women. They can just do it.

Gendered washrooms etc are the norm, non gendered spaces are not always available. Do you expect a trans woman to use the men’s spaces which puts us at higher risk of danger?

Ultimately the crux of your argument comes down to one simple yes or no question.

Do you believe that trans women are women?

I literally didn’t compare you to a racist. I explicitly said it was an unrelated example that I used to clearly explain my point. Also I said a couple times that I assumed your position on the matter used in that example was not that of a racist.

Please don’t misconstrue my words to support your argument against my right to be able to use changing rooms etc that match my gender. I’m going to be clear here I hope that you simply misunderstood what I wrote. That is what I am assuming.

I don’t think me wanting to use women’s change rooms / bathrooms counts a “special consideration” as you put it. I am a woman so I should be allowed to use them same as every other woman. That is equal treatment. That is what trans people want. I as a woman do not want to be forced into men’s spaces where I am placed at risk of harassment / assault.

If you are going to argue that I should not be given equal treatment after considering my words then I can only assume that you do not think of me as a woman. If and only if you continue to argue your same point. There would be no other way for it to be understood in that case. If you don’t argue that point further then please disregard this section.

If you want to protect women then you must include trans WOMEN as well as we are women. If you want to support my right to exist then please support my right to not be forced into men’s spaces where I, a woman, would be at risk of danger.

Replying as an actual trans woman here. Claiming that both sides are equally valid or have equal issues is disingenuous. When one side is simply asking to be allowed to exist equally with everyone else and the other side is using the courts to take away the rights of the other that is not equal. When one side is advocating for what is already the middle ie. equal treatment and respect for all. You cannot equate them as equally problematic and you cannot compromise.

As an unrelated but clear example of this the half way point between equality for all and slavery is segregation / apartheid.

I’m sure you would agree that equating the want for equal freedom and the want to enslave others as equal is* problematic. This is a clear example of what I’m trying to convey here.

I just want to live my life, trans people like me just want to live our lives as who we are with equal respect for everyone. Sadly there are a lot of people in this world who would rather see me and others like me as erased, dead and gone. I’m sure you can understand that it can get very difficult to tolerate mistakes and confusion from others sometimes considering how much our very right to exist has come under constant and severe attack at a government and court level.

We are only human same as you same as everyone else. We’re not saints we don’t have infinite patience and it is extremely stressful to deal with on a daily basis.

So please do not equate our frustration and exhaustion as equally problematic to the hatred and wrath of those who want to erase our very existence.

I appreciate the nihilistic positivity I really do. I’m a disabled person who relies on medication to help me live. If war breaks out I’m especially vulnerable and can’t exactly fight. I am worried but mostly just frustrated that I haven’t seen anyone even really mention what I’ve brought up. I feel it’s important to acknowledge these possibilities so we aren’t caught unprepared. I’m doing my best to keep living my life without being consumed by it. I’m glad you’re seeing it the way you are.

The only reply I really have is. This is Trump we’re talking about. I do want to recognize that every time people have said greater interests and logic will prevail they haven’t. Not when it comes to him. They certainly didn’t for Putin with Ukraine. And if rumours are to be believed Trump is on his side or even following his playbook / guidance.

I’ve always been a bit do a realist and a hope for the best expect/prepare for the worst kind of person. I don’t think what I’m saying is a stretch and I dearly wish to be proven wrong.

You and many people say similar things but you're all overlooking the simple fact that we are allied to Greenland. They have not ruled out military invasion of Greenland and have just recently doubles down on the rhetoric. What do you think will happen when Greenland / the Danish government invoke NATO allies to come to their defence? We will be at war with the US but it won't be them declaring war on us it will be us declaring war on them in rightful defence of our allies. Then they will have "full justification" to invade us back. They won't ever be justified to be clear but it will be the perfect excuse to sell to their public and armed forces.