It's always projection
MisterFrog
joined 2 years ago
(not a Labor member, much further left) Sorry, but at least Labor has some semblance of party democracy. Hearing about the Greens from past members, it's a bloody top-down dictatorship where membership don't get to vote on policy at all (well, they can "recommend" but that's about it)
I'd strongly argue that the reason many Labor Left members aren't members of the Greens is because the Greens are a feel good org that doesn't actually listen to the membership.
Disappointingly, many Labor Left members seem open to the idea that capitalism is actively hostile to our well-being, but continue to support the party, even if it's pro-capitalism, and pro-neoliberalism (it is these days, anyway).
I'll still preference the Greens over Labor for now, but they are not a serious alternative.
Any party that isn't internally democratic is not a serious alternative.
Coincidentally: https://victoriansocialists.org.au/node/238
I don't think I've ever heard sarcasm used when irony is appropriate. Because "ironically" seems to be taking over (for Americans, not in Australia)
"That's so sarcastic" referring to irony isn't a thing. Or at least, I've neve heard it.
"the use of words that are the opposite of what you mean" bad Cambridge, bad! That's sarcasm.
Could be my cultural context, and my bias because I constantly hear Americans misusing 'ironic'.
Don't use it differently without providing a replacement please and thank you!
Wikipedia gets it right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony "Irony is a juxtaposition of what, on the surface, appears to be the case with what is actually or expected to be the case"
My understanding, from how people use it here is that irony is a situation which is a contrast between the expected/intended and actual outcome.
It's ironic when a fire station burns down
This definition is truly upsetting: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
Americans, no. Bad Americans.
This definition is correct (until we come up with a good substitute, FFS America): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Glad Wikipedia agrees with me on this one haha We'll at least the introductory definition.
Edit: to answer your question. I dunno. I just think this form of "ironic" just didn't take off in Australia.
Mostly because we already have words for what Americans use it for. And don't have words to replace irony.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh interesting, I hadn't noticed that!
Ahhhh, socialising the risk and privatising the profits, a tale as old as neoliberalism
The visibility argument is also dumb because in general these cars have much, much worse visibility
Maybe you can see over the top of other cars roofs, but that's about it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo
(Most of this video is about American style utes, but the same applies to SUVs and larger cars in general)
The American use "ironically" is probably the only difference between our dialects that I'll stand firm on.
My friends, we already have a use for the word, and it's not this!
I'm all about linguistic innovation, but using "unironically" in place of "seriously" and "ironically" in place of "sarcastically"/”not seriously" is not happy times for me.
Unless you give me a new word for irony.
I quite like y'all, I use that all the time, not against Americanisms in general, just this one.
I love this, because she's covered all possible vectors of attack the corporate media might level against her.
Wealth inequality has always been bad, but it's getting absurd.
Labor Right is the biggest misnomer in Australian politics.
It's also why Labor being referred to as "left wing" is a joke
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This is a relief, there is hope yet haha