Noughmad

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[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

"free markets", the fundamental ideology of capitalism

Wrong already. The fundamental ideology of capitalism is that people with capital reap the profits (through control of means of production, but also means of living). You can shorten that to "rich get richer". But nothing related to markets.

In fact, there were several instances of capitalist economies without a free market. Nazi Germany comes to mind - the government bought weapons, supplies, and everything else, but they were contracted from private corporations controlled only by "desirable" individuals. Other wartime economies apply here too, to a lesser degree - with rationing but still private ownership.

And yes, capitalists are always afraid of a genuinely free market, because they don't want competition.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The two cases were "do (meaning 'emulate') their economy and policies" and "do (meaning 'have sex with') their people". No "have" anywhere.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Do you understand that a law banning slavery is a piece of regulation? Would you agree that society is more free with that regulation, or less free?

The same logic applies here. The market is free when everyone can freely participate in it. Which means that we have to stop (regulate) those who want to prevent people from participating (i.e. monopolists).

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Read the comment that I replied to. It does not say "have", but "do".

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They didn't say "be" Scandinavia, but "do".

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 9 points 2 years ago

Also tankies claiming to be anti-imperialist when people want to leave your empire.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 9 points 2 years ago

I actually don't know, neither happened so far. Let's find out.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Do you mean their economy and policies, or their people? In either case, I agree.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Socialized anything is not socialism either. It's just social policies.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Equal distribution is not socialism either.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (34 children)

Market != Capitalism. You can have a free market without capitalism, and capitalism without a free market.

The hexbears will attack me for saying that a regulated free market is good and a planned economy is bad. The others will attack me for saying that capitalism is bad and that we should have market socialism instead. But if we can't have that, a capitalist free market has proven much less bad than any planned economy, as long as it's regulated enough that it stays free.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can confirm, not in retail but a fully remote programmer, managers are still very often concerned that "everybody has something to do" much more than "everything gets done".

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