He still believes in sending weapons, aid and trade to the occupation ensuring the continued murder of the Palestinians can continue.
Watch the YouTube videos I posted where he is repeatedly introducing bills to stop ensuring exactly that, and yelling with pictures on the floor of the Senate about how important it is.
You're talking pure shit.
ignoring the main point, in that the Federal Communications Commission threatened ABC’s license over this
Search for "hand-in-glove".
was that the types of speech that folks were advocating to have removed was speech that quite often led to real-world violence when it was able to propagate en masse.
Okay, so reddit was right to frenetically remove everyone talking about Luigi, right? Lemmy.world too? Just bring up a connection to real-world violence (which connection is also applied to pro-Palestinian activists, BLM protestors, all sorts of people) and then it becomes okay to pull their hosting / delete their comment?
I mean there are cases where I agree with you. Everyone can make their decision about where the lines are, that's the wonder of being a private company or whatever, and this is part of what I was quickly glossing over when I said "within certain baseline limits." Generally though, the principle is that whoever has the money and is in charge of the government is going to be the one deciding what is "violence" and what is "a counter-terrorism operation" or whatever distinction, so it's usually a lot safer to say that people can just talk even if someone who's in charge of pulling the plug or not feels like it's unsafe and dangerous what they are saying.
THEY are typically the ones screaming the loudest about the need for some form of community based moderation and/or censorship of certain ideas.
Citation? I'd be interested to read about it.
(I mean certainly that's not true now. They are not screaming louder than the government is screaming about needing to fire or deplatform anyone who talked about Charlie Kirk the wrong way. I do get what you meant though.)
It is incredibly easy to accuse someone of being a genocide apologist if you want people to rally against them. I think there is some kind of human psychology thing there, where there is an "enemy" box that gets checked in the head which applies to that person, and then if they try to explain that they actually don't support or apologize for genocide, then it doesn't matter because that person's bad now, and they're lying.
You're all good. TokenBoomer is making wild accusations to be able to smear you, for reasons of their own, it seems pretty clear here.
He and AOC have let us down in our time of greatest need.
Except for Palestine. They are loud and proud about all their support for human rights and fighting for everyone, except for Palestine.
I feel like there are a whole bunch of YouTube links up in the parent comment that you need to watch
Pencil test level 8000
Yes. They've always wanted to be able to tell you you're not allowed to say things they don't like, and now they think they can get away with making it happen. They can't, in the long run, but they might be able to make some people suffer in the short run before they get consigned to the historical ash-bin.
Sinclair also calls upon Mr. Kimmel to issue a direct apology to the Kirk family. Furthermore, we ask Mr. Kimmel to make a meaningful personal donation to the Kirk Family and Turning Point USA.
Man go fuck yourself
Here's the broadcast, if anyone wants to put these "inappropriate and deeply insensitive" remarks in the context of what he actually said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3YdxNSzTk
Yeah, the post itself kinda rang some bullshit-alarms to me for reasons I can't completely articulate. That's partly why I decided to do a spot check of what it was saying. And yeah, regardless of what was there, we learned that goat is shifty in some way with his mod actions and behaviors, and also sort of at least pro-Israel-adjacent it looks like, and also apparently has some kind of beef with /0 now I guess. I still don't completely know what is going on with them but it seems like nothing good.
I've said before, I think that there are people deliberately trying to stir up inter-instance drama from time to time, spinning up genuine but pretty minor issues into reasons to create rifts between the "pro-AI" and "anti-AI" camps for example, or between the vegans and everyone else, or now (apparently it might seem) between the anti-tankies generally speaking and the dbzer0 people. That's one explanation for why this is happening that makes somewhat more sense to me than anything else I can guess as to why goat might have started to do this. I see a whole bunch of anti-dbzer0 posts in the recent past on MOG as well. That whole "It's all dbzer0's fault that davel has done this" line of argument sort of reads textbook similar to ways in the past that I've observed people trying to get two third parties to conflict with one another.
That's all just random guessing, I have no idea, just throwing out one theory for why goat might be being weird in this one particular way (especially if they have history of doing other odd things.)
@eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com poking me claiming I'd been "caught lying" about something else needled me to actually look up what I was looking at back when this happened. Here's this post:
• https://quokk.au/post/144284
• Source breakdown
• 0.0% upvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• 29.4% downvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• Time breakdown
• 0-15m: +3 up, -7 down
• 15-30m: +1 up, -2 down
• 30-45m: +2 up
• 45-60m: +2 up, -3 down
• 75-90m: -3 down
• 90-105m: +1 up
• 105-120m: -2 down
So what you're looking at there is what percent of the total votes (up and down) came from a lemmy.dbzer0.com account, and then a breakdown of what came in during any given 15-minute window during the two hours immediately following the post.
Having 30% of the votes come in from a single instance when the post was posted to a busy lemmy.world community is hugely sus, since the percent of Lemmy users who are even on dbzer0.com is so small compared with other instances. And then, that pattern of a huge influx of votes in one direction right after the thing is posted, with a ratio of up to downvotes (and a much higher volume in one direction only) that doesn't match the ratio you see for most of the lifetime, is often an indication of voter fraud or coordinated voting. It's actually even more tightly clustered than it looks like on there, those 7 downvotes all came in during one single 5-minute window of rapid fire downvoting, way more active than any time before or after that 5-minute window. It shows on the lemvotes page which is what the script that made that draws from. A lot of Reddit voter fraud was based on sort of "painting the tape" right when something was posted -- people tend to upvote what's already upvoted and downvote likewise, and it'll have a corresponding impact on putting it in front of people or hiding it from them respectively.
For reference if you want to see, here are examples of what a more normal layout of voting would look like:
• https://lemmy.world/post/33473245
• Source breakdown
• 1.3% upvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• 0.0% downvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• Time breakdown
• 0-15m: +3 up
• 15-30m: +3 up
• 30-45m: +12 up
• 45-60m: +10 up, -1 down
• 60-75m: +16 up
• 75-90m: +9 up
• 90-105m: +12 up
• 105-120m: +12 up, -1 down
• https://lemmy.world/post/33466438
• Source breakdown
• 10.0% upvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• 0.0% downvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• Time breakdown
• 0-15m: +1 up, -1 down
• 15-30m: +1 up
• 30-45m: +1 up
• 45-60m: +1 up
• 75-90m: +3 up
• 105-120m: +3 up
• https://lemmy.world/post/33465623
• Source breakdown
• 0.0% upvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• 5.0% downvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• Time breakdown
• 0-15m: +3 up, -3 down
• 15-30m: +2 up, -4 down
• 30-45m: +1 up, -1 down
• 45-60m: +1 up
• 60-75m: +3 up, -3 down
• 75-90m: +1 up, -2 down
• 90-105m: -1 down
• 105-120m: +1 up, -6 down
• https://lemmy.world/post/33455276
• Source breakdown
• 3.6% upvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• 0.0% downvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• Time breakdown
• 0-15m: +12 up, -2 down
• 15-30m: +9 up, -2 down
• 30-45m: +11 up
• 45-60m: +4 up, -1 down
• 60-75m: +7 up
• 75-90m: +5 up
• 90-105m: +2 up
• 105-120m: +6 up
See? Looks different, right? Maybe it's just me.
Neither of us have information because it's epistemologically impossible to tease out what really motivated voters
100% correct yes. And yet, you have a belief in your mind that makes you convinced that:
I genuinely believe that if trans and LGBT people did not exist, and the Catholic Church was in favor of Biden, probably 80-90 percent of Latinos would have voted Biden.
80-90 percent? So 7% of black people voted for McCain instead of Obama, but you think only a few percent more Latinos than that might potentially have voted for Trump, if it wasn't for those pesky transgenders and if the Catholic church had come out for him?
But your views of Latino thinking are definitely not racist lol. I mean I think I have made my point at this point, we're just reiterating at each other at this point.
Completely agree, that would be terrible. That's not what I am talking about.
I actually went further than saying they're "not the same," I said they're not even equivalent.
Glad to hear we agree on so many things. Including among other things the horror of the FCC going around and ordering people to remove speech on this topic. If only I'd mentioned that in some way.