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Is this a reference to Dopelord's Reptile Sun?

"All I did was twist your words so I can get all angry and worked up" I'm gonna keep enjoying your posts but I'm never replying to your comments again.

how would they do it by accident?

I mean this as a compliment: There's something very wrong with you

woah how did she change the hair color is it magic????

Do you see how "No, it's not actual antisemitism" comes off as playing apologist for ethnic cleansing advocacy?

Yes which is why I admitted you're right. Because I'm trying to have a discussion here. You accused me of some pretty vile things long before that already, and willfully misinterpreted my arguments. Rather reminiscent of talking to Cowbee...

I'm not defending ethnic cleansing. That's what I mean with arguing in bad faith, I'm not policing your tone.

I'll say your point abt ethnic cleansing of Israelis actually being thinly veiled antisemitism makes sense I was wrong about that.

All I'm saying is, the modern use of the symbol is not a reference to the symbol used in Nazi concentration camps. Something that is confirmed both by my real life discussions and online research. I'm honestly open to change my mind if you provide a decent source or something. The Wikipedia article I linked only has one source refuting it and maybe my bubble is misinformed.

I'm not defending Israel nor Hamas nor the tankies nor the symbol here I just care way too much about truth

Pug can you chill out and try to understand me here? You don't have to agree but no need to argue in bad faith.

I'm not defending Hamas introducing the symbol. I'm defending the many protestors using this symbol as a symbol of resistance, not for their use of the symbol, but against the accusation of antisemitism.

Largely what I see is that tankies want to ethnically cleanse Israelis from the area, not Jews. Your experience may differ, let me know. That doesn't make it okay, but the difference is rather important when discussing antisemitism. Surely you wouldn't equate Israelis with Jews either.

Is it too much to ask for you to see some nuance in this? Wikipedia directly refutes the claims that you and the other person are making, and has a reference. If you provide some evidence to the contrary I'm happy to change my mind.

as an immediate and visceral connection to historical antisemitism

Not really. The Nazis had symbols for Jews, this symbol was used for various non-Jewish prisoners as well. And it was used for prisoners, not targets.

And then you just repeated your same argument that Hamas is antisemitic and they use the symbol so it's antisemitic.

And then you add a new argument: that tankies use the symbol and they are pro-ethnic cleansing which is the same as being antisemitic (it isn't) so the symbol is antisemitic

But there's also plenty of people who aren't antisemitic who use the symbol.

Sorry it just doesn't convince me. The symbol may be problematic since it's often used to designate targets, but this connection to the holocaust is just not accurate.

Anyway I don't rlly care that much, I don't use the symbol nor do I like it, I just got triggered by blatant misinformation. Sorry for getting all heated.

Why wouldn't they?

It's not a label. They're not saying "hey here's the jew symbol, there's jews inside". They used it to mark their targets "Here's our symbol, that's where we strike."

You're kinda proving my point. Whether or not Hamas is antisemitic says absolutely nothing about whether the symbol is.

Let's create our own reality where symbols mean something else so we can demonize the people we hate better! Yay, now we've reached tankie-levels of campism.

No I understood you. I know you're suggesting that, and your source is that it looks similar to a symbol that most people don't even know and that wasn't antisemitic to begin with because it was used for a variety of political prisoners.

Look you can cast doubt on what Hamas was thinking internally, by all means. But the generally accepted origin (which is what matters) is the Palestinian flag. So when you act like this symbol is definitely a symbol of antisemitism you're stooping to tankie-level campist discourse and spreading misinformation.