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[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 5 points 10 hours ago

The "Cancel ChatGPT movement" doesn't appear to be mentioned in the article, but other outlets say hashtags like #CancelChatGPT are trending on X.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 1 points 10 hours ago

The "Cancel ChatGPT movement" doesn't appear to be mentioned in the article, but other outlets say hashtags like #CancelChatGPT are trending on X.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 2 points 10 hours ago

I think you're right that stock trading has enabled a lot of bad and perhaps shouldn't have been allowed. At least on a large scale beyond a single town or county. Paper certificates for money may have been a bad idea too. Even the use of a common currency like gold may have been a net negative. I think a barter system has positives over a common currency in that it requires people to work together and form communities.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 1 points 10 hours ago

I understand that lethality makes a pathogen less effective at spreading. But this will not be the case as much for artificial pathogens specifically designed to spread undetected until they suddenly activate and kill. Being on the lookout and staying indoors and washing your hands definitely won't save you if the pathogen is sufficiently well designed. That didn't even prevent most people from getting COVID. I was imagining a pathogen that can infect plants and animals as well as humans, so even a person stranded on a remote island would catch it. And noticing the disease won't matter if there's no cure, which is to be expected if this pathogen comes out of nowhere and appears totally harmless at first, until people suddenly die at once. Especially if it's also designed to survive even an immune system that has been vaccinated with a deactivated version.

Even if it is impossible for a pathogen to do all that because we are able to immediately develop a 100% effective vaccine for any pathogen we discover (which is very unrealistic imo), we'd have to be mass inoculating people every time some psycho releases a new potentially dangerous pathogen. We wouldn't have time to test these vaccines for safety and no doubt there would be some adverse health effects from injecting so many vaccines. People would also have to put a great deal of trust in whoever is making and providing these vaccines (probably the government), as a malicious entity could use the excuse of a new pathogen to persuade or coerce people into taking bad substances. These could be to reduce fertility and in the future such substances could probably be used to alter behaviors or even deliver nanoparticles that can be controlled remotely to deliver electric shocks or biological changes. There's just so many ways for this to go horribly bad that I don't think it can possibly end well if pathogen modification becomes capable by individuals or small groups (using AI or other means).

And pathogen modification is just one of the ways we're at risk of going extinct. There's also the other ones I mentioned, ones I didn't mention (like mirror life) and probably a lot more we haven't thought about. When developing atomic weapons there was a concern the atmosphere could be set on fire. It turned out nuclear weapons don't set the atmosphere on fire, but maybe some other technology could or find some other way of causing oxygen depletion. Or maybe there's a way to generate so much ionizing electromagnetic radiation that it damages all DNA on earth to the point where our fertility drops and we go extinct in 3 generations.

But even if we just stick to the ways we already know about it's almost certain that we will soon have technology capable of killing everyone that nobody would be able to defend against. The only protection therefore is to limit its availability. But some technologies are very hard to limit the availability of - such as AI which any intelligent person with access to AI research papers and the ability to write computer programs could make. And why limit its availability to governments and big corporations that can abuse it to subjugate the public (and based on experience and incentives will abuse it)? Surely it's much better to limit the availability to nobody. Hence the project of Stop Tech.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today -1 points 15 hours ago

We've seen it many times. TV, teflon, social media, cars, AI...

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

as a biologist: the “100% extermination virus” is impossible

Have you heard of Clarke's three laws? Specifically the first one?

no known ways

So there could be a way we don't know of yet? Isn't that what science would discover for us? What law of the universe prevents such a thing being possible? Why couldn't we program a virus to have a long incubation period once we can use DNA/RNA like we use programming languages?

The rest of your comment seems to ignore what I already covered in my essay. Yes it's about access, but you either have wide availability and we all die or narrow availability and totalitarianism. Materials and equipment costs also go down with improvements in production and once AI is able to design its own equipment from first principles it may be possible to have AI robots build all the equipment from raw materials.

All this reads like a fearful response to change

If the change we're talking about is humans being replaced as the dominant species on the planet and the invention of weapons that can kill us all, I'd say to be unafraid is completely irrational. It's wishful thinking to say it will work out despite all the trends and incentives saying it won't.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Agreed but I haven't heard of that

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Have you seen Gattaca?

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

I wouldn't trust those funds myself. Plenty of oil companies say they're all about reducing CO2 and as I remember ESG was playing favorites rather than reflecting carbon emissions. Even companies that are trying to reduce emissions can still be invading people's privacy, lobbying (bribing) for bad legislation and doing other evil things.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It is reality. And unfortunately any "ethical" funds usually just focus on avoiding oil companies or military companies but are just fine with AI companies, surveillance companies, eugenics companies and so on. Nobody agrees on what is ethical I'm afraid. One man's unethical practice is another man's unethical-to-avoid practice.

 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/48472755

Humans have always made tools - it's why we have opposable thumbs along with the intelligence and dexterity to utilize them. Spiders are likewise built and programmed to make webs, and beavers to make dams. However, tools were always supposed to be a means to an end. A human end, not inhuman end. An end that is beneficial to human wellbeing, not simply generating more money while relationships break down, happiness declines, physical and mental health deteriorate, and governments tighten their control over our lives.

Short-sighted thinking and human vices have caused technology to no longer serve human ends. It has instead become an overwhelming net negative to humanity for over a century. Time and time again, a technology has become dominant because it provides short-term convenience, efficiency, pleasure or money. But it always has a strong negative for society once widely adopted. What good is endless entertainment when you are less productive, less satisfied with life and far more likely to be depressed? What good is instant long-distance communication when you have fewer close friends and family? What good is easy access to all the written works of history when your reading level and attention span are shot from addiction to social media and nobody else can discuss them with you? What good is modern medicine when it can't fix the problems caused by modern food, microplastics and drugs in the water and ever-present radiation? And what good are cheaper products when the actual things you need for a fulfilling life can't be bought?

Despite all these problems arising from apparently wholesome technologies, new technologies continue to be promoted that have much more obvious dystopian overtones. These include self-spreading vaccines, genetically modified insects, VR headsets, sex robots, lab-grown babies and brain chips. Yet there is one threat that is greater than all of these combined - one that could end all human life completely. Generally accessible weapons of mass destruction.

The threat of extinction

You see, we know from experience that technological progress enables things to be done more efficiently, easily and cheaply. This has been the case with weapons too - killing large numbers of people has only become more efficient, easy and cheap. Instead of relying on spears to kill, we developed guns, then canons, then bombs, then nuclear weapons, each one requiring less cost and effort for each person killed. Defenses against these weapons haven't advanced even a fraction as quickly, as it is much harder to protect than destroy. Nuclear weapons have also become more destructive and easier to produce than they were originally.

The average person too now has more ways than ever to kill others cheaply, using a gun, a car, or even a cheap drone with weapons attached. Individuals can even design, share and build their own weapons and weapon modifications at home using 3D printers. It therefore seems that if technological progress were to continue indefinitely, and humans continue to exist and have a small measure of freedom, a weapon capable of ending all human life on the planet would eventually become easily accessible to the average person. Then all it would take is one particularly angry, evil, inebriated or mentally ill person to put such a weapon to use and humans are no more.

That prospect might seem like a long time away, but it almost certainly isn't. You see, AI is now able to form coherent sentences and images. Fairly soon it will likely be forming coherent virus genomes and nuclear blueprints. It has already become better than humans at specific scientific tasks like predicting protein folding. AI doesn't need to achieve super intelligence, general intelligence, sentience or the singularity. It only needs to get close to human intelligence in some areas of science or engineering and then anyone with money to provide it materials may be able to accomplish decades of progress in a single year.

Some fields may require expensive physical or biological experiments to arrive at a generally accessible weapon of mass destruction, but others likely would not. For example, the creation of self-replicating robots would not require any exotic materials or scientific experiments, just clever design. If these robots use common materials that occur in nature or human settlements then they could quickly outnumber and exterminate all humans. To give another example - we have already modified harmful viruses to make them more infectious to humans, and some pathogens are 100% fatal to humans. Therefore, we are probably not far from being able to design a pathogen that would be capable of infecting and killing every human on the planet.

In conclusion, if ordinary people are free to develop AIs, open source AIs can (and will) be developed without alignment to any particular ethics, and anyone wishing to end humanity can attempt to fulfil their wish. Consequently, the attempts will continue until they succeed in extinguishing humanity or humans are so decimated worldwide that they're no longer able to run such powerful technologies.

The totalitarian trap

As technology gets more advanced it's going to be increasingly obvious how dangerous it could be in the hands of a bad actor. Therefore, governments will no doubt introduce restrictions on the public's access to technology - e.g., by criminalizing development or use of an AI without government certification and attempting to monitor all computer activity, even offline, to prevent the illicit activities. This will advance the surveillance state while enforcing an oligopoly over AI and other powerful technologies, centralizing power into the hands of a few who run the governments and big corporations.

No government or small fraction of the population can be trusted with such great control over technology, which could easily (and definitely would) be used for totalitarian subjugation. Technology is the ultimate power in today's world, and those without control over the technology would have no possibility of overthrowing the few who could effortlessly use AI to direct a vast army of robots, personalized propaganda regime, individual brain wave monitoring and constant video surveillance analyzed in real time. It is simply unrealistic to imagine the most powerful technologies being limited to the hands of a few and not being abused for mass domination.

Eventually, this course of events also leads to a near extinction event as over time the few with power are replaced by their offspring or there are internal battles for dominance. With changing hands of power and high stakes conflict it's only a matter of time until one group decides to end it all or something goes wrong and power falls into less judicious hands.

So what's the solution?

It is evident there must be restrictions on technology if humanity is to exist in 100+ years from now. But these restrictions should not be enforced from the top down by governments or any other group of a few. Not only would this lead to a huge centralization of power and near (if not total) extinction of mankind, but the public would clamor for the technology they are denied and see exploited by the few.

Having rejected centralised restrictions on technology then, the alternative we are left with is decentralised restriction. This could include boycotts, agreements, social stigma, parallel economies, civil disobedience and more, with the goal of limiting the development, distribution or adoption of anti-human technologies. For this strategy to be effective at stopping the development of AI and other dangerous technologies, it would likely require a majority of the population in each of the most significant countries to be convinced they are a serious existential threat to humanity.

The number of people to be of this opinion has been growing in recent years as technology has become more advanced and dystopian, so this goal may in fact become feasible as things get worse. However, most of those people currently do not see this solution to the problem, so do not have strong incentives to take action like boycotting AI or developing parallel systems. Many think that Pandora's box has been opened and cannot be shut. But that's not the case. The future of humanity is for humans to decide - there's nothing that can't be undone if enough people want to undo it.

"There's no way this could ever work"

Nobody thought it would be possible to end slavery either until it happened, or end the Roman Empire, or end Catholic dominance in Europe. The cult of technological progress at all costs is just one more thing that is dominant today, but it didn't use to be, nor is it our inevitable future. It may seem like a long shot, but we have to fight it by growing our numbers before it's too late - there is no better option. Rather than giving up or pretending everything will be fine, there is in fact something we can actually do that will at least push humanity in the direction away from disaster. Namely raising awareness of the problem and being part of the decentralized solution. Doing this may actually be rewarding and personally beneficial, as you will learn to be more independent, form new communities, and save yourself from the exploitation and mental deterioration that comes with much of today's technology.

As a final note, remember this is a battle for the survival of the human race - as many people as possible need to be brought on board. Therefore, we cannot risk to be divided over other issues - as important as they may be right now, they won't matter if mankind isn't around anymore. So whoever you are - wherever you may be - you have been placed in this important time for a reason. We hope you will join us in saving the world!

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Society is heavily influenced by technology. Our modern lives are totally oriented around it. Therefore if you can predict technological developments you can predict the future.

Many people say we can't predict what technologies will be invented or how they will be used. This is false, because a lot of our current technology and technological habits were in fact predicted, and looking back we can see technology has followed a certain pattern of development.

Specifically, technology has developed according to whatever is convenient for its users, regardless of whether it is good for them in the long term or good for the rest of society. If we extrapolate this pattern into the future we can easily predict a lot of trends that will eventually become dominant in society through technology. We can do this by asking some basic questions about any hypothetical technology.

5 questions to predict the future

Questions to ask about any hypothetical technology, X:

  1. Is it possible (with near infinite time and cleverness) for humans to invent X without violating any laws of nature (physics and chemistry)?
  2. Is X going to make things more convenient for its users?
  3. In a society where X is common, will people be able to use X without any major personal downsides (e.g., severe illness, high risk of physical harm)? Detriments to lifestyle, relationships or mental health should be ignored because they are somewhat subjective and many people will think they can avoid them. Ignore detriments to friends and family.
  4. Can X potentially be mass produced or made cheaply available (relative to the benefit) to most people? If it needs to be custom-made or custom-performed for each user, consider how much the process could be automated or done en masse to make it cheap. Ignore the need for rare materials because new materials will be invented.
  5. Is there some other hypothetical technology that would do the job almost as well as X and might become cheaply available first or shortly after?

If the answers to questions 1-4 are yes and the answer to 5 is no, then you can be almost certain that X is eventually going to become a very popular technology around which the whole of society becomes organized. (Assuming this level of technological development hasn't already killed most of humanity). This is because the technology will be desirable for its personal convenience with low personal risk and no better alternatives, so there will be financial incentive to make it cheaply available and then lots of people will use it. If 1 and 2 are yes and 5 is no, X will be invented but is unlikely to become popular unless 3 and 4 are also yes. The reason most predictions about the future of technology have been wrong is either because they underestimated the time needed or because they failed to consider all of these questions, especially question 5.

Verifying the questions work

These 5 questions could have correctly predicted a lot about the world today. After the popularity of the train but continued use of the horse-drawn carriage, one could have used these questions to predict the invention and mass adoption of the horseless carriage (cars). After the invention of the radio, if you had asked these questions about worldwide near-instant person-to-person visual information transmission, you could have predicted not only television but something like the internet becoming popular.

You also could have predicted the invention and mass adoption of easy-to-use non-invasive contraceptives, IVF, genetic sequencing and GMOs, video games, pocket computers (smartphones), 3D printing, unmanned aircraft (drones) and lots more. At the same time, you would have avoided false predictions like mass adoption of jet packs (which would be very unsafe and uncomfortable without something to sit inside and keep warm, which is basically a small plane or flying car, yet to be made cheap), hoverboards, translucent holograms, lightsabers, or that cars and virtual reality were fads and that computers would only ever be for big companies.

Applying the questions to the future

Given the reliability of these questions, let's use them to evaluate some hypothetical future trends. For example consider AI as relationship companions. Questions 1-4 are all yes, given how AIs are already used as relationship companions and are cheaply available. The answer to question 5 is no, because all relationship companions must either be real humans or acting as artificial humans, i.e., artificial intelligence. Therefore relationship companion AIs will almost certainly become popular. (Unless we put a stop to technology or it kills/enslaves us first).

As another example consider sex robots. 1-4 are clearly all yes, but the answer to 5 is also yes because simulated sex (through virtual reality or fake sensory input wired into the brain) will be cheaper and more adaptable to people's fantasies, and there is no law of nature that prevents the perfect simulation of all types of physical touch. Therefore sex robots are almost certain to become popular only if they become cheaply available before good (functionally, not morally) alternatives like simulated sex. If we run through the questions for simulated sex we get yes for 1-4 and no for 5 because non-simulated sex will never be able to compete with perfectly simulated sex which is adaptable to all types of unrealistic fantasies. Therefore simulated sex will eventually become popular, even replacing the sex robots which may become popular first. Obviously the popularity and convenience of simulated sex will also sharply reduce the amount of real sex taking place. Artifical wombs will also become popular according to these questions, so real sex wouldn't even be needed for procreation.

If we consider easy-to-make weapons of mass destruction, 1 is yes and 2 is also yes because they offer a convenient means of killing large numbers of people. The answer to 5 is no because the only thing better at easily killing large numbers of people is a better easy-to-make weapon of mass destruction. Therefore these weapons will be invented. The question of mass adoption is irrelevant, as mere knowledge of these weapons becoming somewhat widely available (as they will if scientific AI is widely available) would trigger human extinction or near-extinction. This is the final result of technology.

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