Stylistillusional

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[–] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, I do agree. The EU commitment to defense is stronger than article 5 it is often said.

Besides, we know what side Sweden and Finland were on long before they joined NATO. Russia saying they don't have a problem with Ukraine joining the EU is imo something they say to attempt to drive a wedge between the EU and US.

After all, Russia's concern over the differences in tariffs between them and the EU and them and Ukraine was an important driving factor for this conflict.

Besides, everybody, including the Russians, knows Ukraine was never even close to joining NATO.

[–] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, if you repeat enough times that you're willing to send troops it becomes a matter of your own legitimacy. Whether you really wanted to actually do it in the first place, now you have to.

Which is the real danger of these statements by Macron. You're creating a red line for yourself and hoping the other side blinks first.

[–] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

My new cope theory is that Macron is talking about sending troops to increase Ukrainian morale.

The Ukrainian army needs manpower but there's a lot of internal resistance to lowering the age of conscription and Zelensky dares not openly press the issue. Companies don't want to lose their younger workforce and people aren't feeling good about Ukraine's performance on the front right now. They need something to point to so they can make the population more amenable to conscription.

They can't achieve success on the front right now so Macron steps in and offers a (seemingly) strong commitment that they are willing to go all-in. Then the regime in Kiev can push through new waves of conscription. The French announce they are standing back and standing by now that the manpower issue has been resolved.

I don't know, I think the French would, out of all the European states, understand that it is not a good idea to send forces into Ukraine. I feel similar about the idea of France sending troops to how I felt before Russia invaded: I thought they wouldn't do it because it wasn't a smart idea. So I could definitely be wrong.

[–] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is true that the European elite is loyal to the US, but more importantly they are completely dependent on the US. At the same time the Europeans are enthusiastic participants when it comes to Ukraine, moreso than the US.

The US has always held the position that the aim of military aid is to strengthen Ukraine's position at the eventual negotiation table. But the Europeans for a long time believed the goal to be a total retreat by the Russians.

Because of those fantasies, the Europeans have jumped in head first. Now the mood has soured and the Europeans are starting to realised that they have wagered the stability of their entire system on the outcome of this war. Hence those comments Macron has been making.

I hope that all this talk of sending troops to Ukraine is part of a process of Europe accepting the reality that they played themselves. Hopefully the Americans can reign their dogs in before they do anything stupid.

[–] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

When it comes to Europe and Ukraine, I think it really comes down to moral indignation. They think Russia invading Ukraine is a unique moral crime. Ukraine should win because they are the good guys. Any sense of reality is almost entirely overruled by this moral indignation.

A lot of people in Europe can't even fathom that the West has any responsibility for this war. It must be Russian propaganda because the West is free and democratic and Russia is evil.

Even the people in my country that are at least sometimes better in realistically understanding this war seem to be dumbfounded by the idea that regular people show a greater willingness to protest the genocide in Palestine and not against Russia.

I truly feel it doesn't go much deeper than moral indignation for Europe. They can't conceive the possibility that anything they are doing for Ukraine could ultimately end up hurting Europe more than Russia. It is heresy to suggest that maybe if they went about sanctions a bit smarter, they could've probably helped Ukraine more.

[–] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, the Russians are making gains currently. But did the fall of Kherson and Kharkiv result in the Ukrainians kicking out the Russians?

It is still a war of attrition that Russia is currently 'winning'. Just because they broke through defensive strongholds and are pushing through more open fields now, doesn't mean a tipping point has been reached in terms of attrition.

I think people need to keep in mind that there are elections happening all over Europe this year. Which means a lot of posturing. The Russians will be saying the war will be wrapped up any day now. We are to believe that France, which has contributed relatively little in Ukraine, now is considering sending troops? I'm not buying it (until I do).

[–] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Tbh, I think all this talk of Poland and Hungary taking over parts of Ukraine is at this point absolutely silly. The only people talking about it are Russian propagandists.

Besides, unless the frontline starts collapsing a lot more and a lot quicker the Russians are years away from taking Odessa.

[–] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd guess this is a corruption thing and not offical policy. Not paying your mercenaries when you're already having manpower issues seems like a bad idea.

Yeah, as much as we sometimes wish for something to happen right now, Ansar Allah just inviting an all-out war doesn't give them any direct benefit. It's not going to stop the genocide of Gaza tomorrow.

Or at least there is no extra benefit to shooting every ship in range as opposed to small-scale attacks consistently enough to disrupt shipping in the area and place stress on Western economies. They know for sure that they can withstand another bombing campaign better than the West can withstand losing their treats.

[–] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

It's going to be wild if a NATO ship gets downed by a bunch of cheap drones and missiles. For now it seems like Yemen has been sure not to overwhelm US defences with drones. But it's going to be interesting to see what their gameplan is.

Even just sinking one navy ship would be such a tremendous blow to the US that the response would have to be huge. They would have to pull back their ships if they don't want to risk losing more. That would look so fucking bad.

So then the response would have to come through Saudi Arabia in the form of a massive bombing campaign. But give how much of a disaster the Saudi intervention has been in the past, they would have to do more than just bomb Yemen if they want to secure sea routes again. There's no way that this doesn't turn into a massive headache unless Ansar Allah backs off.

But if they're not even entertaining talking to the US, that seems far off. Either way, the ability of the Yemeni peoples to take suffering commands deep respect. Damaging directly those countries that have facilitated one of the worst humanitarian disasters in recent history could motivate them to take a lot more damage.

[–] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

China has gone woke, now they will go broke. The Chinese economy is going to collapse from this.

[–] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

They can sorta do it by just destroying NATO from within. The US doesn't have to unilaterally withdraw, it just has to create doubts about its actual commitment.

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