This is fair if you're just copy-pasting answers, but what if you use the AI to teach yourself concepts and learn things? There are plenty of ways to avoid hallucinations, data-poisoning and obtain scientifically accurate information from LLMs. Should that be off the table as well?
digitalnuisance
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Your explicit argument is that “better” isn’t the standard, when it comes to cranking out textures or whatever. But suddenly when it’s your thing - there’s no possible way that passable results could work. Disruptive change won’t affect your profession, because good-enough audio never happens in video games, a medium obsessed with escalating… audio quality? No, right, graphics. The thing you figure AI will be awesome for, when someone needs two hundred variations, to-day. And when that demand becomes reasonable there’s no fucking way the studio will demand two thousand.
I pretty explicitly explained why this is the dumbest take ever in the previous post, and then tried to get you to do what you're claiming in actual practice so perhaps midway through you'd realize how stupid you're being. Read, please. Nobody in the field you're discussing takes your opinion seriously for valid reasons, and you not reading in order to better understand the benefits and limitations of generative AI is the entire reason you hold this view.
It's also pretty funny how aggressively you're defending artists and their right to "not have their jobs taken by AI" based on a misunderstanding as to how this all works, only to turn around and post this in a thread, essentially stating that artists should continually create content for games years after they've hit their sales peak for no additional cost to you at the expense of their labor essentially be exploited for free because you don't wanna cough up $15 for the thing they put months/years of their life into or whatever. Like, dude, YOU'RE the one arguing to not pay the people you're supposedly defending. This is the thing that's ACTUALLY going to cost people their jobs. Turns out creative human labor is still incredibly relevant these days and costs money, and you don't seem to understand the business models of game studios, either.
You lurched in with ‘I bet people will downvote my lukewarm take!’ and then got big mad when that happened. Like it was a surprise.
I was looking for an intelligent discussion with you. My mistake.
This latest comment is an open wound of grievances which I, personally, didn’t say a god damned word about. You’re just showing your whole ass over… cut content? For some reason? Who asked. And you’re trying to turn measured pushback regarding your sweeping claims into some chest-beating dominance-game, where one of us has to go away humiliated and quintessentially stupid forever, instead of just saying - oh, guess that was a slight overreach, whoopsie daisy.
Nah, dude, those are the most basic responses/questions you'd get out of literally any qualified person with any knowledge on this subject if you brought it up as a suggestion at an actual studio. People have to think out and justify their approaches to things at jobs, this isn't rocket science. It's genuinely incredible that you can't follow a point from A to B to C to D and understand how they might all be related and affect one another. You're just digging the hole further with your obvious ignorance and inability to think critically; my advice is to please learn when to stop speaking and begin listening.
My condolences to anyone who works under you. However good you are at your job, the way you handle disagreement is demonstrably miserable. Please get better at it.
Writing fan-fiction about some random you're mad at online to make yourself feel better about being demonstrably stupid? Who's showing their ass here, again?
Okay, dude, time to put your money where your gigantic mouth is. Mute this video (no cheating by listening to it first; you have to act like a REAL designer here, and real gameplay is silent when it gets given to us), then use one of the many freely-available, generative audio AI models that are all easily Googlable to generate for me some sound design that works for the visuals at the timestamp. Should be simple to do better than the sound designers over at Riot for an expert like yourself with access to free AI that makes their expertise and human, artistic perspective irrelevant and will totally steal their job. I mean, you clearly know more than me, so you should easily be able to do something that is requested in the first stages of any entry-level sound designer job interview.
Oh, what’s that? It sounds awful and doesn’t represent the character, let alone what's happening on-screen at all? Hmm…nah, I must still be wrong somehow. I've got "cognitive dissonance" and "survivorship bias", after all. I definitely don't understand the strengths, efficiency-increasing potential and limitations of the technology we're discussing better than a guy who thinks that because you can generate more textures with a trained diffusion model that that means more can and will be used on nonexistent parts of a game (because you have to apply textures to, you know, THINGS THAT EXIST IN THE GAME). And if you are able to put more things in a game, you definitely should, because the suits/customers will DEFINITELY demand it. It's not like QA testers or the market research department will straight-up tell you in no uncertain terms that paying customers are gonna hate a bloated game or anything. That's definitely how that works; no designer ever has to cut content in order to focus an experience and make the game feel good to have a fighting chance against its competition in the market; that never happens. Ask any dev or artist; there has definitely and for sure never been a single ounce of cut content in any development cycle ever since generative AI tools came on the scene and began getting incorporated into the commercial development of art, let alone games. This is because games for sure are not works greater than the sum of their parts, and extra ancillary features added solely because "suit want big game, use AI, give moar now" never ruins the balance of everything else in the game, leading to losses in sales that are easily predictable by market research requested by said suit. You're clearly the expert here, not me. Please continue to school me with your 400 IQ takes, Stephen Hawking.
God damn, gamers are sooooooooooooo fucking dumb and recalcitrant. Seriously, y'all will rudely and ignorantly argue to the death with actual developers for DAYS rather than admit you don't have one an iota of an idea as to what you're fucking talking about, with egg on your face the whole way. Ugh.
Okay, dude. Mute this video (no cheating by listening to it first; you have to act like a REAL designer here), then use that AI to generate for me some sound design that works for the visuals at the timestamp. Should be simple to do better than the sound designers over at Riot for an expert like yourself with access to an AI that makes their expertise irrelevant and will totally steal their job.
Oh, what's that? It sounds awful and doesn't represent the character at all? Hmm...
Imagine the ego it would take to write something as unbelievably cringe as this personal fantasy about an anonymous person you're angry at just to make yourself feel better.
For the record, I'm autistic and I am highly compensated for my expertise as an interactive artist, so that's why I'm discussing this topic with fervor.
It's also really funny that anybody would ever give a shit about fake internet points, as if it were some transcendental measure of correctness or moral merit and not just an indication of how uninformed, emotionally-driven and circlejerk-y the general public is on social media.
Nah, good art breaks through with enough perserverance, time, improvement in your work and a little bit of luck (which you need less of the more of the first three you have). People just underestimate what "good art" is defined as. The bar is now just where it always should have been, which is JUST above somebody copying your work without any underlying understanding as to why it works or the cultural gestalt involved. Not a very high bar to clear, tbh, but I could understand why some entry-level folks feel frustrated. If that's you, keep your head down, push through and improve, you'll get there.
I love how you didn't read anything else I wrote regarding this and boiled it down to a quippy, holier-than-thou and wrong statement with no nuance. Typical internet brainrot.
"Oh no, all my quality work won't be in the next marvel movie or in mcdonalds' next happy-meal promo campaign, darn. Guess I'll have to make and sell something else."
~ Literally every artist with a modicum of talent, ambition and a brain
What's your favorite big-budget, AI-generated game/movie/show that you've given money to, again?
This is such a flimsy argument that it's barely worth responding to. People by-and-large are absolutely sick of Marvel slop and still seek quality art elsewhere; this is not a novel concept, nor will it be outmoded by the introduction of AI. The internet and entertainment industry at large is still actively exploding with monetized, unique, quality content because not everybody wants slop; most people are actively sick of it. Talented visual artists are still and will continue to be hired in the entertainment industry and will also continue to be able to independently release stuff online because they have their own individual perspective and the x-factor of "human creativity" that AI slop just cannot compete with. Interesting that you didn't address that, but what's also interesting is you're touching upon the reason most people are mad; AI models tend to churn out mediocre work, and people feel threatened because they aren't good enough at their craft to compete with it, so instead of becoming better they scream at anybody trying to advance the technology of their particular discipline for taking away extremely easy kinds of work that they barely had to do anything to get before (patreon commissions, etc.). Work a tad harder, try to express yourself more effectively and I promise you somebody will value your work above the forgettable music from "The Eternals". People with talent tend to break through if they try hard enough, it's not rocket science.
And I addressed the budget-cut thing earlier, so no I am not acting the way you described. Budget cuts are not an AI problem, they're a capitalism problem, as I stated previously. Please read.
INB4 people scream "survivorship bias". No, you're just not good enough, and you'd rather scream and yell at sensible takes from every expert in their field or craft than accept that fact. Legitimately. I know you don't like hearing that, but you need to accept it in order to improve. Get better at your craft. If you can't make stuff with greater quality than AI slop, you're not going to be capable of making things that resonate with people anyway. AI will never be able to do this, and this kind of quality creates sales. AI will be used, sure, but it will be leveraged to improve efficiency, not replace artists
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Uh...yes...obviously it's learning...I'm referring to the stance of the luddites on social media who like throwing babies out with bathwater due to their anti-AI cargo-cult approach. I'm talking directly to them, because they're everywhere in these threads, not to people with their heads screwed on properly, because that would just be preaching to the choir.