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[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Adding reference to HN submission of this article. Discussion thus far has 233 comments.

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I maintain some lists too, PR's welcome:

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Have a look at #flohmarkt, federated decentral classified ad software using #activitypub: https://codeberg.org/grindhold/flohmarkt By @grindhold@chaos.social

 

Found via @gulovsen@mastodon.social's toot:

My reaction reading the following quote from #Wired...

"The #Fediverse apps are all built on a set of rules called the #ActivityPub standard, which is a little like HTML had sex with a calendar invite. It’s a content polycule. The questions it evokes are the same as with any polycule: What are the rules? How big can this get? Who will create the chore chart?"

 

Found via @Norobiik@nok.social:

When Meta finally gets serious about entering the EU is the time they'll get serious about #ActivityPub.

"The #EU’s #DigitalMarketsAct (DMA) is a 2022 legislation that regulates the digital market competition in the region. It prevents #TechGiants (#Meta, #Amazon, #Apple, and #Google) from cornering the market of a specific product or service, and allows smaller companies to compete against them."

Why isn't #Threads in the EU? The app tests the bloc's new #PrivacyLaw

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Oh, that kind is good. Constructive feedback is very valuable. But the fediverse is full of people dropping derogatory sarcastic comments or even reacting in rage, that aren't helpful in the slightest. I should've made that clearer in my first comment.

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There's no responsibility at all. There's also full freedom to complain however you wish. If you do that on someone's free work with which they try to help others, it just doesn't look very good on you. That's all.

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

One thing I don't get. Among the gazilion "Oh, it is sooo easy to do this better" complainers are countless developers and designers. This whole Mastodon thing is Free Software, where countless people spent some of their free time and energy to give you what there is today. Complainer devs and UX folks, are your PR's getting rejected?

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Well, you are a Person too in this Peopleverse. If that's your preference, that's perfectly fine and a valid coice. Whatever enriches your life!

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by humanetech@lemmy.ml to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml
 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1230183

Just gave my satyrical take on The Splinterverse. Grassroots movements adopt an implicit "Divided we will be conquered" approach, where big corporate newcomers can easily disrupt with Big Marketing™ followed by an Eternal September by their user influx to the Fediverse. The Muskening™ already gave a taste of that.

Currently new channels are abuzz with the Reddit shenanigans, and there's potential for another influx. People are inventing names like "threadiverse" for forum-like federated apps. There's a broader vibe where people come to the realization that enshittification on proprietary walled garden platforms is inevitable, and that the old web is re-emerging with blogs and webrings. And the heterogenous Social Web with countless alternative federated/decentralized apps where there isn't a single gatekeeper. That opportunity certainly exists (as Meta likely know all too wel also).

The common name that has stuck is "Fediverse", or affectionally spoken the "fedi". Many say it is a bad name, and maybe it is. It is a name you get used to, though, and it is not easy at all to introduce a new name in a grassroots movement.

But that is NOT what I find important at all ..

The Fediverse has slowly matured during many years. That slow growth has shaped an all-important aspect: A vibrant culture. This is what all growth-hacking enterpreneurial minds easily overlook. There have been a shit ton of social media launched.. and failed. The big ones we have have their solid position with FOMO and network effects. Those who say social media is easy have survivorship bias.

"It is the culture that matters, stupid!"

I love all the quirky aspects of the Fediverse. The diversity and inclusion. The weird angles. And also, weirdly enough.. the friction. Friction to get on the Fediverse has also served as a filter. We now have 'competitor' decentralized social networks with Nostr and Bluesky. "Nostr is developing way faster.. come to us!" --> This is a purely technical viewpoint. Wait till you see what culture that creates. Technical buzzwords like "encryption", "censorship-resistance", "micropayment", etc. that seem like features may see all the wrong types being attracted to those networks.

What I feel is the biggest thing that is missing on the Fediverse is a shared vision, a common notion of where we are headed, where the potential of the Fediverse is, what we might achieve collectively.

It is "App focus". App app app app app ... Apps are siloes!

Related to "marketing against Meta" it was asked "Where is the Mastodon branding agency?" --> They branded an app, not an ecosystem / online environment. And them being successful means we have this big confusion now, where people "Join the Mastodon". We should get rid of app focus.

The vision that appeals to me, and I am advocating for quite a while is that of a Peopleverse to emerge.

  • Fediverse (technical) --> Peopleverse (social)

The Peopleverse is NOT a name.. it is an abstract idea, a vision of how things might be. The Peopleverse is where people find value online. Where they interact with others in a way that is enriching to their lives. It is where online and offline worlds are seamlessly intertwined.

Considered like that means that this Peopleverse will also have implications for the technical perspective, when looking at the Fediverse technology landscape and ecosystem. It highlights the amount of socio-technological support that is needed. It highlights a technology vision that encompasses the Fediverse's full potential.

 

"Hey, are you on Mastodon?"

"I joined The Mastadon network if that's what ya mean."

"Wait an instance. You are both using the Fediverse protocol."

"Ha. Well.. I joined the Threadiverse and like that way better."

"Is Lemmyverse connected to that?"

"Dunno. Let's ask at ActivityPub."

"Yay, beer 🍻 It is Friday."

"ActivityPub isn't a real pub, it is a community of sorts."

"Hi there.. dialing in from the #Pixieverse 👋 Can you see me?"

#Fediverse #ActivityPub #Threadiverse #Mastadon #TheMastodon #Lemmyverse #Pixieverse #Vidiverse #Web69

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Fully agree. Those doing Groups need to be continuously reminded about this compatibility. Tendency to "wheel reinvention" is high and co-creation is also not front and center in thinking with implementers, unfortunately. There's a Groups FEP created by Lemmy dev. I nudged Flarum, nodeBB and Discourse folks to come together. On SocialHub @trwnh gave some great insights. I hope more FEP's will be proposed, so that interop guarantees can be higher.

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Current functionality of the plugin is still rather limited. The following 2 categories federate:

But right now that only creates a toot on a new topic creation, and replies from the fediverse aren't becoming replies in the forum. Hellekin has experimented with it, and SocialHub is open to beta-test.

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Oh for sure it would benefit a lot. A migration to Lemmy has come up in the past.. though it would mean losing a ton of community/forum management features. But there's movement towards federation of SocialHub, with The Pavilion who wrote an ActivityPub plugin. It is enabled on the SocialHub and 2 categories are currently federating. The plugin will be developed further, and feedback is being collected. See:

Two more forum softwares are adding federation support: Flarum and nodeBB

 

You can help by boosting my toot, but when offering help, the SocialHub forum discussion is the best place to do so.

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 45 points 2 years ago (7 children)

That second comment by goplayoutside says it well: "Maybe the modest technical hurdles are a feature, not a bug."

I think it is a feature, and the same is true for Mastodon and the Fediverse as a whole, imho.

 

As Reddit's enshittification reaches new heights their attempts to suppress attention for alternatives, like federated Lemmy, has the opposite effect as this Hacker News discussion shows.

 

The recent Lemmy post with the "Can ActivityPub save the internet?" link, says there are 4 comments. They can't be viewed from Lemmy however. Copy/paste the URL in Mastodon and the comments become visible (they are all non-Lemmy commenters).

 

Fediverse is going mainstream fast. And it is going to be a corporate hellhole if the grassroots initiatives that drove it to its current success are losing their grip on evolution in proper direction: Humane tech that is to the benefit of the people andd society, free culture thriving.

While corporate threads are looming, meanwhile the activated developer community is once again splintering, fragmenting initiatives appearing that dilute attention to focus on common efforts, cohesion, cross-pollination and collaboration. The "herding cats" problem of grassroots movements.

Great opportunity is now. Cohesion means that initiatives remain independent, but take care to coordinate with what is going on elsewhere.

👉 You can help! Avoid a CorporaVerse where you are exploited and milked. Bring attention to the opportunity and participate in the related initiatives to help bring them closer together. You might also boost my related toot.

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SocialHub HQ opens this month in Brussels (socialhub.activitypub.rocks)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by humanetech@lemmy.ml to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml
 

Sorry, gotta divulge that this was an April Fools. It is the opposite.. we want to get more cohesion and collab in The Grassroots Fediverse as a counterbalance to mainstreaming and corporate takeover forces.

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