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you paid someone

This is true in both cases

no accreditation, unlike university degree programs

This is true. It's an interesting destination.

• Would you say that an accreditation covers the technical rigor of a degree program?
• A boot camp only cares about the narrow scope. An accreditation cares about a well rounded, and unified education experience. Do you look for that in your candidates?

Edit: does a well rounded and accredited education provide more value to your organization than a narrowly scoped employee?

Yeah, I didn't check because I was on my phone. It's a reasonable call out. I don't like the data mining either. Thanks.

Schmidt and Hunter, 1998

That's a 74 page article, do you care to summarize it or provide a specific area?

Thanks for a reference. Interesting.

Find people who are eager and excited to learn and they’ll thrive

Yours is an awesome story, thanks.

corrected: https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereknewton/2024/02/25/its-no-surprise-that-skills-based-hiring-has-not-worked/?sh=59bd9b7af0e0

Yeah, I just copied/pasted from google news feed. Good point. I'll try to edit with direct link.

I’m looking for experience over degree

In most cases, it's assumed you'd hire an experienced dev over one who has never held a job, and by that, I mean they have no proof of skill, if you consider a previous employment any proof of actual skill other than convicting someone to hire them :)

Assume you're hiring a new to workforce person. No previous employment:

• Do you hire a degree or no degree candidate with no previous employment record?
• What do you look for specifically if you are looking for skills?
• If your child/family member was going to pursue a career in dev/IT/whatever, would you push them to get a degree, or just build a portfolio of code/projects/whatever shows their skills in that field?

Did your degree help you with:

• your technical job/duties?
• general business?
• general literacy and soft skills (writing/commination/problem solving)?

Has the author ever worked anywhere?

I wonder if having a degree is a hard requirement for journalism and writing/communication and that's what the author's world perspective is based on?

When coworkers sit around the lunch table and complain/vent about the state of the world, do you imagine that journalist complain about a lack of higher education, so when they see any evidence that threatens the model of college degrees (which = debt), they jump on it as proof of their own path?

while it’s tradition to require a degree, it’s literally a check box

This is a very good challenge to the requirement. If it's just a check box (that you have A degree) and not a very specific one, does it diminish the credibility of the requirement?

Do people like the probationary period idea? It sounds functional and practical to me.

Can you talk about this more?

• Does it mean that a boot camp coder is not skilled enough?
• Would that have those skills if they did a degree program?
• Would any degree in computer/IT suffice?

What do you mean?

Again, what should Americans do?

Then vote for administration supporting genocide?

I brought this up because the conversation was taking about absolutes. I would think then voting for genocide supporters makes you a genocide supporter, right?