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I know what it means, I understand it means to struggle. They use it in a violent context, it is not misinterpreted.

I'm sorry, but Hamas is not worth defending. I want peace for Gazans and everyone over there. I hate that Jews were given the fucking shaft because of Britain and the Ottoman Empire. There's just too much history here to even call this simply Zionism, it is too reductionist.

If Hamas dedicated themselves to disarming after and allowing all people to exist as a separate state from Islam, I'm all for it. Go Hamas if that's what they want. Hell yeah, bring peace to your people, the Jews, the Christians, the atheists, etc. Allow them to vote in your society, allow them all to participate in government and practice their faith openly and without persecution.

They do not want this. They want an Islamic state guided by Islamic faith to rule over the land of Judea/Israel/whatever. I do not desire this.

Look at the other replies here, I posted sections of Hamas' 2017 peace document which explicitly states their right to jihad and I got "yeah, jihad is fine" from someone. People defend Hamas here.

If First Nations Americas started an intifada like on oct 7 against my neighbors, would you disagree with their strategy and disavow the people who claimed responsibility, or would you defend them?

Luigi killed an oppressor. Teenagers and old ladies that Hamas targets in their atracks are not oppressors. I'm not unaware of Israel, but Hamas does use human shields. This is a fact. Hamas cannot ever do this. It is inhumane. It shreds them of innocence. It makes removing Hamas impossible without innocent loss, and I hear you on wanting thay. If oct 7 resulted in only oligarchs and military leaders and politicians being targeted I'd be having a different discussion. If any intifada by Hamas had desired peace instead of total war, we'd have a different discussion. Hamas is as evil as Israel is, I agree.

Their self-claimed right to religious jihad? The spreading of an Islamic ethnic state? Nothing wrong the the spread of Islam or the Arabic ethnicity, but i disagree on violent means (jihad and by establishing a state). Do you?

Their end goal is to jihad Israel until they are gone, wiped off the earth. We'll just assume the Jews will be safe, I guess? I don't like the state of Israel, but I don't want the world to lose the Jewish people, and I don't trust Hamas to be the protector of so many Jews. I have seen zero evidence that Hamas will be willing to risk their lives to protect and save the lives of innocent Jewish people. Again, I just want a better option than Hamas for the people of Gaza and the West Bank. I want a better option for the people of Israel/Judea too, than their current state.

My goodness, I'm just trying to have a level head here? I have never supported Hamas, before or after October 7th. I very much remember their suicide bombings of busses. Do I excuse the IRA during the troubles? No. Fuck the IRA, but I don't disagree with their plight. I agree that the Irish people deserve their land. Same with the people in Gaza and the West Bank. I hate the British empire as much as I hate the Israeli state. I hate Hamas as much as I hate the IRA.

Fair enough. Don't disagree on the taliban.

I think the people of Palestine should implement a state like Kurdistan and abandon their ties with Hamas. I support Hamas as much as I support any government who kills innocents in the name of jihad or any other "struggle". Same with the Israeli government. I support them as much as I support Hamas. I support the people of Judea/Israel/whatever you want to call that hunk of land more than I support any of their governments.

I'd love any source on Hamas' peaceful intentions towards the Jewish people

Where is my love for the Israeli state? I believe all peaceful people should be allowed to live, and there are lots of peaceful people in Gaza and the West Bank and Israel/Judea whatever you want to call the place. Nationalists over there are not peaceful.