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For those asking for progress I am showing something. I understand we are all tired of this conversation but I want to hear the counter arguments.

Progress but not perfect. I think there is plenty of room to grow and he does have a fumble problem. I also think the scheme would destroy most QBs in the league.

Do I know if he is the guy? No I don't know. But I am seeing growth.

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I understand what Getsy was trying to do against the blitz, but man, the creativity was lacking. We need a new OC(and probably a new QB).

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The bears as a team including Fields had an abysmal start to the season, be it because of coaching or because of a lack of talent. In my opinion blame lies mostly with coaching, but this is a young roster with a lack of experience (which is why we are seeing this team improve on defense so much).

Then in week 4 something changed (for 3 quarters), the offense seemed to click and we put up great numbers. From week 4 till now, week 12, Justin has played some really good football. He misses some reads, sure, but if you look at every snap (which i have and sometimes this offense makes you want to poke your eyes out) he looks like a mostly good QB who needs to clean up some things, which in my opinion are coachable. In my opinion watching the games he has played after the meltdown in kansas, (excluding the vikins, because he got hurt and the offense as a whole was atrocious) he passes the eye test as a qb1.

He is going through his progressions, checking plays at the line (there is still a good amount of progression to be made here, but he is atleast servicable at this) and he is getting the ball out quicker. He is good at extending plays and when he gets out the pocket he is a pass first qb, which suprised me, because he is such a dynamic runner with the football. He can beat a team with his legs, has one of the best (if not the best) deepballs in the NFL and is starting to get better at the short and intermediate level.

Now for the people who don't care about how somebody looks out on the field and want to look at statistics, here they are.

Passing 4 weeks: 1003 yards (250.75 ypg) 86/124 for 69.4% completed passes Passer rating of 114.42 (only 5 qb's have a rating over 100 this season) 9 TD's 1 INT

Rushing 4 weeks: 245 yards (61 ypg) 5.5 ypa 4 fumbles 3 fumbles lost

Season (17 games): 4263 passing yards 1041 rushing yards 69.4% complete 38 Td's 4 ints 17 fumbles (13 lost)

So that would mean Justin would have 5304 total yards with 38 TD's (which could be more if he gets some rushing TD's which he hasn't in these 4 weeks) 4 INT's with 17 fumbles (lost 13). This would be a 9.5 : 1 TD/INT ratio and a 2.2 : 1 TD/TO ratio.

Don't get me wrong Justin still has things he needs to work on (fumbles, reading defenses and throwinflg with anticipation), but if you 1) look at the tape, he is playing confident and going through his progressions more + adjustments and checks at the LOS, which he has improved upon since coming in the league 2) look at the statistics 3) look at the team (we are in a rebuild with guys who need time to develop and gel together). Justin has what it takes to be a top QB in this league, granted he needs to clean up the fumbles and shows more progression reading the defense, which he has done so far.

Would love to hear opinions on this and answer any questions that you might have (and let's please keep it civil)

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Why is it that we are so hard headed on sticking with Fields or drafting a QB? Wouldn't it be better to get someone like Kirk Cousins and draft MHJ and a top offensive lineman?

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Obviously, we won this game because our Defense played amazing. D-line, Linebackers, and secondary all played lights out. Eberflus is an idiot, but didn't cower in the final minutes of the game like he did against detriot and called a good defense.

My question is, if Eberflus gets fired, what do we do with the coordination of the defense? I know some people have thrown the idea of demoting Flus to DC but has that ever happened in the history of the league? To me its either he stays or goes with no in between.

Do you think we keep the Tampa 2 style since it's worked out the past couple weeks? Who would you want as our DC if we do switch to a new staff, and what scheme do you want them to call?

If we do move on from Eberflus, I personally would want an Offensive Minded Coach. If we keep Justin, then hey, let's give the guy a full coaching staff that can help unlock what Getsy has clearly failed to do, with the guy at the top having a clear idea of how offenses are created. If we draft a new Qb, all the more reason to. But that leaves the DC spot all the more interesting, especially with how good they've played recently.

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Yay, not a QB post. Whomever is a Bears fan really should watch it (YouTube). Lance and Alex always crack me up and really speak the truth about the team. Considering they’ve actually played the game at a high level I value their inputs more than all these talking heads who never even sniffed a NFL sideline. The whole crew does a bang-up job of keeping level heads and not just parroting whatever the meatheads are crying about for the moment. Think it would be an awesome time watching games with that bunch. That is all.

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Sigh.

“The Bears defense has officially checked out. Without the defense playing to their abilities, this team doesn’t win another game. If Virginia McCaskey wants to save her fan base, she fires Pace and Nagy before they’re back in Chicago. I know that won’t happen, but they don’t deserve another year to try and save this team . Virginia knows what needs to happen. This may be the last chance she has to be brazen like her father before she dies and save the franchise. Pace and Nagy have lost the team and nothing will save it now. Oh, and fire Ted Phillips too.”

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Summary:
1.Bad teams winning is good.
2.If two teams have the same record, the team with a lower strength of schedule (SOS) gets the earlier pick. So, teams on Bears or Panthers schedule losing is good.

Current draft order and SOS, via Tankathon

TEAMS WITH BYE WEEKS: Bears (4-8), Bills (6-6), Giants (4-8), Raiders (5-7), Ravens (9-3), Vikings (6-6)

THURSDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL

Seahawks (6-5) at Cowboys (8-3)
Preferred result = Seahawks win. This game seems pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. But, the Seahawks winning would increase the Cards SOS, helping our pick/Panthers pick win a potential tiebreaker with the Cardinals first rounder in the event that one of us/Panthers end with the same record as the Cards.

SUNDAY EARLY SLOT

Chargers (4-7) at Patriots (2-9)
Preferred result = Patriots win. Pats are currently the 1.03. Them winning would would increase the Panthers chance of being the 1.01 and put the Patriots only a game behind the Bears.

Lions (8-3) at Saints (5-6)
Preferred result = Saints. This game is a bit of a double edged sword. There are a lot of 4-win teams, so our SOS being as low as possible helps with tie breakers.

Falcons (5-6) at Jets (4-7)
Preferred result = Jets win. A Falcons loss lowers the Panthers SOS.

Cardinals (2-10) at Steelers (7-4)
Preferred result = Cardinals win. Cards are at the 1.02 now, so a win would be another step towards securing the 1.01. Also puts them just a game behind the Bears in draft order.

Colts (6-5) at Titans (4-7)
Preferred result = Titans win. Bears and Tits are both sitting at 4 wins, so a Titans win would move them later than the Bears in draft order.

Dolphins (8-3) at Commanders (4-8)
Preferred result = Commanders win. Same reason as above, Commies are at 4 wins so a W would help move them later than the Bears.

Broncos (6-5) at Houston (6-5)
Preferred result = Broncos win. Another game that seems pretty irrelevant since both teams are in playoff contention. The Texans played the Panthers earlier this year, so powering the Panthers’ SOS would be a bit helpful.

SUNDAY AFTERNOON SLOT

Panthers (1-10) at Buccaneers (4-7)
Preferred result = Bucs win. Another step towards us securing the 1.01.

49ers (8-3) at Eagles (10-1)
Preferred result = 49ers win. Another game between playoff teams, so nothing huge at stake here. A 49ers win increases the Cards SOS, helping with any potential tiebreakers.

Browns (7-4) at Rams (5-6)
Preferred result = Rams win. Same reason as above, increasing Cards SOS seems like the best outcome here.

SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL

Chiefs (8-3) at GB (5-6)
Preferred result = Chiefs win. Helps lower our SOS.

MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL

Bengals (5-6) at Jaguars (8-3)
Preferred result = Jags win. I couldn’t find any reason that one team winning would help/hurt us, but I like the Jags so I’m rooting for them.

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Cardinals may dump him and draft QB this off season. He may be a good veteran fit for the bears.

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Just heard an interesting story from a coworker who grew up in Mexico. He told me his hometown in Mexico is absolutely filled with die-hard Chicago Bears fans because back sometime around the 70s/80s some entrepreneurial guy bought some satellite dishes and set up a local TV service for people in their homes. Apparently one of the few channels they were able to pick up was one of the big Chicago-based broadcast networks, so of course they managed to get Bears games. That combined with the timing in the 80s meant that the whole town became huge Bears fans.

Obviously since then access to better coverage has improved significantly, but it's still the case that most everybody in his town supports the Bears because that's who their parents supported.

The second biggest team down there is apparently Washington, because back in the day under their previous name the narrative was that they were representing the natives taking on the gringos, which resonated with folks. Funny how such wildly different perceptions of a single name can exist based on the time / location.

Anyways, just thought it was a nice story which y'all might enjoy. I'm not sure where the hometown is, but if you're travelling around Mexico you might end up finding yourself among a bunch of likeminded NFL fans.

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Full disclosure: I'm still pulling for Fields and I don't watch college football.

With that in mind, if we do move on from Fields, I wanted to get my head around how the basic stats of Williams & Maye compare to recent #1s overall.

Main Takeaway: Statistically speaking, vs prior #1 picks, Williams is middle of the pack and Maye is bottom in almost every main category.

Follow-up Questions for those of you who know and watch college football:

- Can someone explain why Caleb Williams is talked about as being "generational" or a can't pass up?

- Can someone explain why there is so much love on Drake Maye? Honestly, his figures are extremely similar (maybe worse) than Trubisky. Given they went to the same school, that is quite concerning.

https://preview.redd.it/kodkxhi94b3c1.png?width=1493&format=png&auto=webp&s=b5f9e3ed30a1b59ecf0317e8668fe07ec478ce2f

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Full disclosure: I'm still pulling for Fields and I don't watch college football.

With that in mind, if we do move on from Fields, I wanted to get my head around how the basic stats of Williams & Maye compare to recent #1s overall.

Main Takeaway: Statistically speaking, vs prior #1 picks, Williams is middle of the pack and Maye is bottom in almost every main category.

Follow-up Questions for those of you who know and watch college football:

- Can someone explain why Caleb Williams is talked about as being "generational" or a can't pass up?

- Can someone explain why there is so much love on Drake Maye? Honestly, his figures are extremely similar (maybe worse) than Trubisky. Given they went to the same school, that is quite concerning.

https://preview.redd.it/kodkxhi94b3c1.png?width=1493&format=png&auto=webp&s=b5f9e3ed30a1b59ecf0317e8668fe07ec478ce2f

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I like to look at rookie contract QB's in this way because it shows their most recent full length season, Will continue to do this ever game until the end of the year.

Do not take this as an endorsement for or against keeping him.

The last 17 games tracker:

The Good: His last 17 games he is at 4200 total yards and 33 total td's, 93.2 rating.

The bad: 5 fumbles lost and 12 picks. About a 2:1 TD to turnover ratio. Sacks: 62, about 3.5 per game.

His first 17 games:
Justin Fields has a passer rating of 73.2 with 2,549 yards, 10 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in 17 games in his first 17 games in his career.

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This franchise can't develop rookies QBs for nothing. You guys are hoping for the next Justin Herbert to come here and overcome this next coaching staffs ineptitude.

Instead of rolling the dice again for another half decade of (please be good) QB play, why don't you consider trading for an established quarterback. Kyler Murray, Dak Prescott, hell trade the number one overall for Justin Herbert, he might want out of LA.

It literally doesn't matter who the Bears draft this year, they won't be good because the Bears have NEVER shown that they can develop a QB.

Ok I'm out.

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Title.

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Justin Fields is Mitch Trubisky with better wheels.

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I think they should during the bye week to help see what they could possibly do to improve the offense and maybe give JF some real coaching from someone who has more experience than Getsy.

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