The Bears have also never had a great wide receiver. Should they stop drafting them as well?
David Terrell and Kevin White were mediocre, what’s the point in drafting MHJ?
That’s how you people sound. It’s crazy delusion. Also, like LA would trade Herbert.
David Terrell and Kevin White were mediocre
You and I disagree on what Mediocre means. Those guys were awful.
Mediocre is a way to say "Average" in a negative way (ie. not exceptional, nothing special), however people keep using it to just mean "Bad."
In layman's terms mediocrity = they suck
The people that suggest the Bears make moves as if the NFL functioned like the trade machine in Madden drive me insane
If Staley is out and they want a full reset, stranger things have happened. Considering Chargers are my AFC team I’d be all in on trading Justins if it were an option.
The first Bears QB I remember watching was Bobby Douglas. In half a century, Id rank the top 3 QBs as: 1. Cutler, 2. Grossman, 3. Harbaugh… and I would take Fields over any of them. His arm is better, and his mobility sets him apart. Yes, there are lots of warts, plenty of faults, not saying he’s my ride or die - but Im saying he’s good enough for the Bears.
And… the odds of us getting that “generational” talent in the draft? Please review the last 50 years and tell me why you think the odds are better than a coin flip we do better than Fields???
What??? Fields over Cutler? No way. Cutler played a few years on some pretty horrible Bears teams. Difference between him and Fields? Cutler was still able to play pretty fucking good those years.
I’ve reviewed the odds myself and 18/26 QBs picked number 1 turned into good NFL starters.
Absolutely amazing people here think Cutler was consistent, literally one step away from calling Rex consistent lol Google exists, anyone can check out Jay‘s numbers with us, they were straight up terrible and legitimately even worse than Mitch or Justin. And he was wildly inconsistent
The Bears acted like Mike Glennon was a good signing.
That tells you more.
Y’all are insane
Hold on, you mean to tell me that it doesn’t just take drafting a top rated QB to solve all our problems?
Lol you’re asking us like we make those decisions
The chiefs had never developed a qb in their history. Now they’ve got one of the goats. Bengald and Texans were “cursed”. Burrow and stroud.
This argument is the stupidest fucking thing. The organization isn’t incapable of doing it just because of the logo on the helmet
It took Kansas City bringing in an established head coach who took multiple teams to the playoffs and developed Patrick Mahomes to what he was.
You're a straight clown if you think Matt Nagy and Bill Lazor would've made Mahomes into what he is today.
The Bengals drafted a general talent in Joe Borrow and was able to draft the best wide receiver prospect a year later.
But keep acting like none of this is shit isn't correlated. Keep rolling that slot machine and keep hiring these bum ass coaches who don't know what the fuck to do with these rookies.
So is it the Franchise? Or the coaches? Or the receivers? Or the quality of QB prospects?
L take.
These takes that qbs are made by coaches is straight up trash. Sure I’ll admit that coaching is important but I’ve even seen people here credit CJ Stroud’s success to coaching. Get out. He came into the league a player. Same with Burrow and Mahomes. Take your dumbass qb takes somewhere else.
L.
You don’t have to be this dumb when it comes to quarterbacks. You could be normal.
Sadly it's not the logo on the helmet " it's ownership ! "
Cause they hired Andy Reid
And bears fans were clamoring for the less talented backup to play over him too…we are a dumb fanbase
I think the fan base just knows Fields isn’t it. Is Bagent a better QB than Fields? No. But he’s a picket passer with a strong work ethic and a lot of promise. Fields apologists kept getting upset, thinking that we wanted Bagent playing because he gave us the best chance at winning. No.
Most of us wanted Bagent because we knew the season was over and we know Fields isn’t the guy. Why further injure this guy you’re obviously gonna trade away? Why not see how far you can develop Bagent? See what he can do. Fluse and Getsy like Bagent because he allows them to open up the playbook more. Fields holds on to the ball too long and is uncomfortable in the pocket.
Bagent was a guy that went totally unnoticed, and our scouts happened to see some promise in him. Made his way to backup, and eventually stepped up when called on and did fairly well, considering. He’s just a good story. For all these guys with a hard on for Fields, how do you not want to see Bagent succeed just as much?
Two years of Fields: “He has so much potential” 😫 Two games from Bagent: “He didn’t do anything Fields couldn’t do! He’s just a backup! He’ll never be anything more than a backup!” 😫
You’ll get every downvote in the world but no one will have a rebuttal for you 😂 it’s comedy how everyone labeled Bagent a “career backup” after 5 games his rookie year but if you compare his first 5 starts to Fields’s people should’ve been calling fields the backup his rookie year.
Fields had 0 tds first 3 starts ended the 5th game with a ratio of 1 td-2 ints and only eclipsed 200 passing yards once while having 2 games under 70 yards passing. Bagent never got below 150 passing yards and matched field’s TD to int ratio. Let’s keep in mind Fields had the better defense and coaching staff around him his rookie year in comparison to Bagent.
Not saying Bagents the guy but to label him a career back up 5 games/4 starts into his career is such typical casual bears fan behavior.
This. The thing people forget is that until he started to heat up in weeks 4 and 5, Fields was playing like dogshit on the season. And he was looking like dogshit in week 6 against MIN, too. Bagent came in and played on time, distributed the ball quickly with short/intermediate throws and led a touchdown drive—all things Fields had shown little ability to do to that point in his career.
Nobody realistically thinks Bagent is the better QB, but it was refreshing seeing someone in a Bears uni do some of the things Fields couldn't/wouldn't. And a completely raw rookie who had precious few snaps with the 1s, at that. There shouldn't be ANYTHING a UDFA DII rookie does as well as (let alone better than) your first round, 3rd year starter, yet here we are.
I'm glad Justin is back and playing (relatively) tight football. Is he "the guy?" That depends on what you mean, but plenty of teams have been pretty successful with QBs who nobody would realistically consider "the guy." Thinking of guys like Nick Foles, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, etc. I think this fanbase gets a little too obsessed with wanting an ELITE QB, when meanwhile Detroit is doing just fine with Jared Goff at the helm.
Bruh. You probably mean a franchise QB and not consistent QB play. Cutler was not consistent. He would have a great game and the next game he’d throw 4 picks.
He wasn’t even consistent.
The last time we had consistent QB play was from the guy known across the league for inconsistent QB play.
Not even disagreeing with ya, OP. But there are levels of how shitty this is.
I disagree.
statistically - the two most successful QBs in Bears history were Eric Kramer and Jay Cutler - both of whom had RON TURNER as their offensive coordinator in their best seasons. He also coached rookie Kyle Orton to a 10-5 record.
Talk about "development" all you want, but in the end it always comes down to the play calling and the Bears have had horrid luck with OCs for a majority of the nineties, noughties, teens and twenties. A good coordinator that knows his personnel and how to get the best of them will always trump a QB, no matter their experience level.
Bears OL were pretty good during Kramer era.
still need coaching staff whether u trade (see Russel Wilson) or draft (see Trevor Lawrence)
Ive been saying this all season. We cant develop a QB, we cant pick a QB. Get Mayfield in here and draft MHJ and some Dline/Oline
The Bears have been bad at football for a while now. They haven’t won many games. They should stop playing, so that we stop losing games.
Cutler was underappreciated in Chicago. He was never the guy we hoped he would be after the trade, but he was good for us. At the very least, we were competitive with Cutler, and we were able to (for the only time in my Bears life) see a competent offense and QB play.
As the years go by, I'd imagine a lot of Bears fans have come to realize we did Cutler dirty. The misery, particularly at the QB position, since he retired has been brutal.
Side Note: You are either delusional or a moron if you think Dak, Kyler or Herbert are getting traded by their respective organizations. The NFL isn't the trade machine in Madden lol
Yeah bro let me just go trade for Dak Prescott
Why stop there? Let’s just go get Mahomes.
I'm convinced that the issue is with ownership. They don't know anything about football, their family doesn't know anything about football, and their kids don't care about football outside of the money it brings in.
When the owners don't care about the business other than the income it generates, and hire people with the express purpose of generating revenue then that's what it does.
The Bears business and marketing are S tier. To the point where they don't need to win, ever. We all still eat this shit up. Until the money starts disappearing, and fans demand championships, nothing will change.
Even when the old lady dies, her kids will just take over, and we've already seen how much they care about the success of the team.
Our only hope is for the old lady to die and her kids to sell the team to someone like Mark Cuban, who actually cares about the team.
There wasn't much consistent QB play before Cutler either. Maybe Orton's 6 game stretch before he was traded.
If an established quarterback comes onto the market, that's absolutely an option we should be considering. That's just rarely the case, especially not at a reasonable price. The last time we were in the QB market was when Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson were reportedly on the block. Obviously we're now glad we didn't get Watson, and Seattle ultimately decided against trading Wilson that offseason at all.
Additionally, none of the people who will be involved in the process of evaluating our QB options this offseason--regardless of who we do or don't retain--were involved in picking Fields or Trubisky or any other QB this franchise has ever selected unless the McCaskeys get themselves involved. Different OC, different coach, different GM, different team president, different eyes, different processes.
Put Cutler on this team and we are just one more receiving threat, an offensive lineman or 2, and a competent coaching staff away from a pretty stellar offense.
The bengals said the same thing, then drafted burrow.
Consistently bad?
I loved Cutty but the guy was a turnover machine
Why would a team with a Justin Herbert level or better QB trade their QB? It's clear how absolutely pivotal it is to have a good QB in this lesgue; only caviot to this is the very intermittent mega trade when the stars align and a rebuilding team trades to a "ready to make a run" team (i.e Aaron Rogers)
What are you trying to achieve with this post? You're screaming at the clouds & arguing with other Bears fans because... They're trying to be optimistic about a QB prospect or coaching staff?
Nobody here is making any decisions; following sports is a hobby and it ain't that serious. If you're so jaded that you're pissed off because other people are optimistic... Take a break or something dog that shit is wack as hell
