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I mean - consider for a second that we currently have the most comprehensive martial arts practice in all of history, with the largest humans, best sports science, and all that.

Any top UFC fighter from the past decade could probably beat the fuck out of anyone ever before the year 1980. Isn't that wild? Dudes who have (probably) watched Rick and Morty could beat the piss out of Alexander The Great or whoever the fuck. And it wouldn't even be close.

Biting and eye gouging is banned of course, but even if it wasn't, Brock Lesnar isn't letting you even get close to that. I mean, speaking of Brock, even big pro wrestlers - medieval blokes would shit their pants on sight if they saw Scott Steiner going freakmode off the roids. Perc Angle. Big Show - like what - he's a literal giant.

But what about Mark Zuckerberg? He's a big guy. He does his MMA. I think give him a month to train and send him back in time. Hate to hand it to him, but he would crush.

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[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Trained in combat to the best that they knew - but it wasn't a highly commercialised and ultra elite pathway. They didn't have advanced fitness, muscle gain, and recovery methods or in depth knowledge of nutrition. They didn't have replays to analyse their fights, or a globally interconnected web of the most effective martial arts at the click of a mouse.

Think of it like this - how many top MMA guys use exclusively ancient fighting methods? Greco Roman takes you so far. Judo takes you far. Sambos newer but based on a wrestling tradition. But no one's using that exclusively. The mix of all the most efficient methods is absolutely lethal.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

MMA fighters are more entertainers if im being honest. I know it sounds funny given that we are calling them "MMA fighters". These people put in a lot of effort, but the violence they take part in is highly controlled, regulated, and done in bursts. Soldiers across history are trained to give it their all at all times, and a single mistake costs them their lives. People in MMA don't have to worry about these kinds of things.

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

But in that - soldiers are trained for long marches, firearms, swordfighting, prolonged fitness in battle, whatever it may be - they are not solely trained on hand to hand, and aren't built purely to go hand to hand fresh off the buzzer. An elite UFC fighter is. And that is all they master, day in and out.

Yeah, there's regulations, but remove them and you get goring kicks or elbows to the backs of heads that they used to do in early MMA days anyway. The controls are in place for the safety of both parties - because if they didn't have those regulations they would easily end up killing each other.

If UFC fighters are more entertainers than they are fighters, then it would stand to the test that army men today could take them on. Or other hardmen from around the world. That isn't the case. They are guys who get put in a cage for 5 minutes at the time, with the intent of annihilating their opponent. 5 minutes is a long time. If theres no referee, their trained chokes are lethal, their arm and leg locks are crippling. And they can do those submissions (and strikes) better than any human civilization in history.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

then it would stand to the test that army men today

Army men today shoot when they fight

Past soldiers engaged in close range physical combat

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

They didn't have advanced fitness, muscle gain, and recovery methods or in depth knowledge of nutrition

Cuba doesn't have any of this and their boxers dominate at the Olympics