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[–] JustMarkov@lemmy.ml 58 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] Lemmchen@feddit.org 25 points 8 months ago

If it's only there like in KDE Neon, I'm fine with it. I don't want any of my distro apps to come as Snaps though.

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why? What's the issue with Snap? Is Flatpak any better?

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, Flatpak is far better. The most glaring issue: Canonical hosts the only Snap backend, you can't host it yourself. Flatpak on the other hand is fully open.

Don't introduce proprietary crap just so companies can profit off of it.

[–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Don’t introduce proprietary crap just so companies can profit off of it.

I agree but I think it's the user who should be able to make the informed choice (ie. during installation)

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, why enable this kind of behavior in any way? Any user is free to make an informed choice by installing it themselves.

We all know how this goes. Once a critical mass is reached, enshittification begins to milk everything dry. By making it an installer option, you're legitimizing it and supporting a worse future for the Linux desktop.

[–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ok but KDE has official Snap packages so they already are "legitimizing it". Also snap won't be able to entshittify anything. Snapd is still open source, so you can just repackage the software for different package system.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My guy. There is no open backend for Snap. If Ubuntu enshittifies Snap, nobody can host an alternate backend for them. How does the client being open source help you?

[–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You simply use a different packaging format as I said in the previous comment.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Okay, and how does snapd being open source help with that? It literally has no effect on it.

And when your best argument is "if it gets enshittified you can switch off of it", why help it get popular in the first place?

[–] JustMarkov@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is a stupid argument. In FSF's eyes even having nonfree repository (ie. for drivers) is bad so this is completely irrelevant for anyone considering flatpak or snap. Both have nonfree stuff in there.

[–] JustMarkov@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Both have nonfree stuff in there.

But flatpak's backend is open source and self-hostable, while snap's is proprietary and not self-hostable. Flatpak is the lesser of evils from this point of view.

[–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I'm not arguing whether snap or flatpak is better. Flatpak is better.

But your arguments are going against each other. You disagree that FSF should tell you what software you can use but then you want to tell other users what software they can use. If you use flatpak despite of FSF's opinions, you should let people use snap despite of your opinion.