May I suggest to evaluate the idea to side with Russia and go full homeland vs newland. I mean EU + Russia sided with China could smash the old USA. If USA leaves NATO the rest of NATO could integrate Russia. Top notch superpower, with a little topping of democracy. TL DR What if EU + RU Vs USA ?

I mean it’s easier for logistics once you build proper infrastructure. Better than an ocean

But don’t mind this comment nor take it seriously, what I want is no more wars.

Peace

[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

For you ukraine doesn't matter?

This whole template implies that Russia is Sauron. I wouldnt side with it.

[+] Mordred_85@lemmy.world -13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Of course It matters, as anyone. I was thinking if USA leave NATO what if we side with Russia, we as EU Ukraine included. But I’m not thinking of military strategy but an hypothetical scenario that would result as a no death stability of the new biggest, triumvirate between China Europe and Russia. Hopefully thinking that those countries are more inclined to have more civilized manners and thus permeable to democratic values.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

"What if we abandon siding with one authoritarian and side with a different authoritarian" is not the good argument you seem to think it is.

[–] VerifiedSource@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

we side with Russia, we as EU Ukraine included

Become part of Russia's empire is the only way this works.

[+] Mordred_85@lemmy.world -7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You are right and I am wishing for a third way, as equals as in EU. With Russia in EU the congress gonna be so much fun. They already are with one foot (Hungary), Serbia also would be dragged in ending the balcanization by making really peaceful. EU would have access to raw materials. Russia to cutting edge theory and tech. Lesser partner would be china!

[–] VerifiedSource@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Russia needs to fundamentally change for that to happen. Maybe even disintegrate a lose much of their central and eastern asian territory. Russia is too big to be easily integrated into europe.

[–] Mordred_85@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I agree but maybe some day Putin will leave the charge either voluntarily or by dying. What will happen then? Elections? Succession?

[–] VerifiedSource@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

We will see. Putin has built a very stable authoritarian system that could very well survive him.