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[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 72 points 3 months ago (28 children)

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biden basically did that already. ever noticed there are no byds on the road in the us?

i seem to recall it wasn't an outright ban, but unreasonable tariffs on chinese evs specifically. a soft ban, but enough to be as effective.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 37 points 3 months ago (26 children)

The official reason for tariffs is government subsidy AFAIK, but in reality the moment they lower the tariffs, US and EU automobile industry is done.

[–] Enelop@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago (23 children)

The heavy subsidy by the Chinese government is the reason they would dominate though. The tariffs won’t ever be lifted unless they stop manipulating the prices to be lower than domestic competitors…

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They would dominate because they make a good product that isn’t more expensive than it has to be. US car companies have discontinued most affordable options to try and force people to only buy larger, higher end vehicles that most people have no use for. Now they’re mad that international companies are willing to sell the products they refuse to.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, usa car companies are bitches. But it is laughable that you think the reason it isn't more expensive has nothing to do with being subsidized

[–] Enelop@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The reason it is vastly less expensive is due to being subsidized. You don’t seem to understand what is being said and can be backed by facts.

Allowing your local industries to be dominate is common sense. As much as china is smart to subsidize theirs so heavily, the united states isn't wrong to tariff them

[–] Enelop@lemm.ee -5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

And not the 3.2 billion that the government dumped into them…

I’ve heard they are good cars but the price is manipulated.

[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

so... how much did does the us government give its auto industry?

They gave us auto companies 81 billion between 2008 and 2014, and continue to subsidize the industry to this day.

pot meet kettle

[–] SnortsGarlicPowder@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

BYD recieved 3.7 billion between 2018-2022 2.2 billion in 2022 alone.

Ford recieved under 500 million in 2022 but did recieve 1.7 billion in 2023.

Ford motor apparently has recieved 7.7 billion in subsidies since the year 2000. Usually from states rather than fedrally.

[–] Enelop@lemm.ee -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yet we don’t try to sell into the Chinese market for the express purpose of undercutting their domestic product. It’s common sense to not allow that to happen.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

They don’t because no one would pay double the price for a worse vehicle dude…. To undercut them, they would need to tank their profit, which obviously for good reason, no company would do, it’s also hella illegal to boot regardless. So to answer why? It’s fucking illegal dude lmfao. You clearly have a axe to grind, and aren’t even looking at the actual data, just the bias in front of you regarding “China”.

People are free to import and buy them, what don you think is stopping them…? Its because it’s a more expensive inferior product. There’s no hidden thing here, there’s no conspiracy. You just can’t understand that China makes cheaper stuff, fullstop.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

China is making and selling a vehicle at an impossibly cheap price because they are artificially manipulating the international price. Thats the only issue.

It’s weird that people can’t understand this BUT when a megacorp does it we all can see it.

It’s fair to call market manipulation for what it is, even if it’s the USA doing it or China doing it or META doing it. We don’t have to pretend.

[–] Enelop@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

You are*

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