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It's great that Pierre lost and he probably lost to someone better, but were there better candidates for the common people on the ballot? How are liberals as a whole for Canada? Would another party have been better - greens for example?

I've seen a community about better vote counting system, so it seems Canada is still a first past the post country?

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[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 38 points 4 weeks ago (18 children)

Obviously it depends on what you consider "better". Yes we're first past the post, and yes it sucks. The only party who wants to try to change it is the NDP. We'll see if they get a chance to.

The leader of the Liberals, Mark Carney and the new Prime Minister of Canada, has been described as "wicked smart". He has a PhD in economics from Oxford. He led the Bank of Canada through the 2008 financial crisis, a crisis in which Canada fared better than almost all the rest of the world, then he ran the Bank of England (first non-UK person to ever do so I believe) during Brexit, and that probably was also not as catastrophic as it could/should have been for the UK economy. He is an economist and central banker, not a career politician per se. This appears to have appealed to Canadians. He said all the right things, in my view, now we get to see if he can deliver on any of them, especially being limited to another minority government as it looks like at the moment.

Liberals are supposedly centrist, and although the previous government under Trudeau leaned left, and were pulled further left by the fact that they were stuck in an NDP-propped minority, that was the previous government. However under the new leader Mark Carney, most people agree he swings more to the right, although they're still more centrist than the Conservatives, and it still looks like they will probably be propped up by the NDP in a very slim minority.

The Conservatives (formerly Progressive Conservatives, who dropped the Progressive part when they merged with a far-right party called the Reform party) that have a big tent they've continued stretching further and further right over the decades, to bring in some very undesirable people and attitudes, including most recently the antivax convoy protest supporters and the "Maple MAGA" people who want us to become the 51st state. They now also seem to have consumed the People's Party (another far-right splinter group).

I'm biased, but yes I think the Liberals are better than the Conservatives. Canadian political views have been twisted by relentless shifting of the overton window so it's really hard to tell where the political "center" actually is anymore. If you consider what the center was 20-30 years ago, I think the today's NDP (considered both then and now a far-left, working class party) is now pretty close to that.

The Greens are a pretty dysfunctional party kept afloat by a few locally popular, genuine, idealistic candidates with strong integrity, only one of whom appears to have survived the strategic voting purge this election. I don't consider them particularly relevant in Canadian politics at this point. Obviously, they are focused on environmental goals and climate change, which are issues I support although not to the exclusion and detriment of all else. Their proposed plans for actually addressing it tend to be, in my estimation, relatively incoherent, ranging from weak to naive to implausible.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 6 points 4 weeks ago (16 children)

Thank you. That's a good overview.

I did hear that Trudeau became unliked and had to step down. Was it just because he was around too long?

[–] Leeny@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I agree with the other two commenters. Also in my opinion, Trudeau had some good policy but terrible PR around it. The "carbon tax" should never had been called a tax from the beginning...most people got more money back, but everyone thought they were paying the tax. And Trudeau grew up in politics on the public stage. He took advantage of his privelige at times and wasn't always careful with the optics of his actions. Too many opportunities for his opposition to criticize him and turn public favour against him.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 weeks ago

The “carbon tax” should never had been called a tax from the beginning

It wasn't officially called a carbon tax. The people who called it that were the ones attacking it (pretty much exclusively the Conservatives)

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