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Epic/Fornite's response to actor's union lawsuit about AI Darth Vader (infosec.pub)

submitted 2 days ago by klu9@lemmy.ca to c/starwarsmemes@lemmy.world

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[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Didn't James Earl Jones give Disney permission to use AI generated Vader voices after he passed? If so, I see no problem with this IN THIS SITUATION. Normally I'm very anti-AI generated, but this seems fine to me if I'm remembering that right.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Yes, or perhaps he gave his permission just to use his voice since he recorded more dialogue lines but maybe voice AI wasn't advanced enough at that time. His estate did give permission with regards AI though, IIRC.

Honestly? Let James Earl Jones keep Vader. He can keep living as Darth instead of fading away into obscurity. He earned it.

[–] jnk@masto.es 2 points 2 days ago

@RightHandOfIkaros @chronicledmonocle wait he gave Disney permission or he just gave permission to do that in general? Wouldn't that make those dumb YT parodies ok? (at least for Vader's character)

[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Eh, even though we had Mark Hamill's joker, there have been some good takes by other VAs

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Let's be real, while other actors have done an okay job, there is only one true Joker: Jack Nicholson.

In all honesty, the Jokers portrayed by different actors were not trying to mimic other actors. They were doing their own portrayal of the character. Which works well enough for Joker because each different version is in its own universe so to speak.

Darth Vader with any voice other than James Earl Jones just sounds wrong, not matter how well the actor does. The two are inseparable, IMO.

[–] klu9@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He was probably imagining his voice being used in official media like more movies, not anyone loading up a free-to-play game and making it seem like he's saying all kinds of crazy shit.

https://youtu.be/De-YJHq2NmU

But it seems the SAG-AFTRA lawsuit is about a different issue, defending the jobs of their members who do/could do the work of Darth Vader's voice since JEJ's death.

“However, we must protect our right to bargain terms and conditions around uses of voice that replace the work of our members, including those who previously did the work of matching Darth Vader’s iconic rhythm and tone in video games,” the release continues. “Fortnite’s signatory company, Llama Productions, chose to replace the work of human performers with A.I. technology. Unfortunately, they did so without providing any notice of their intent to do this and without bargaining with us over appropriate terms. As such, we have filed an unfair labor practice charge with the NLRB against Llama Productions.”

https://www.polygon.com/fortnite/599871/fortnite-maker-charged-with-unfair-labor-practice-over-ai-darth-vader

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Seems like SAG could try to make the same argument if Epic had hired a non-SAG voice actor.

[–] klu9@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Probably.

[–] ReputedlyDeplorable@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Yeah, he’s dead. They aren’t getting dues from him anymore got to get theirs somehow!

I am pro union, but I hate gatekeeping behavior that sometimes crops up around them. Not exactly this incident, but I have seen electrical unions engage in some pretty petty behavior in an attempt to push a non-union shop out.

[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 0 points 2 days ago

The estate actually gave them express permission to use his voice to train an AI model.

This is just SAG being pissy that they didn't use a human voice actor,