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[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Holy crap..yes. leash your cats for the love of all that is fuzzy.

The anger people have when you tell them it's neglect when you just let a cat roam free. It's insanity. Your cat can easily just never come home or be found dead to many things, and they also destroy lots of wildlife and crap on people's property with no respecting owner to clean up.

No one would take this from dogs..so why cats? It's literally for their safety and the safety of other animals...its mind boggling and the downvotrs prove it

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Here is a perspective from someone who has owned an inside/outside cat for the last 12 years. My cat is independent and resourceful and yes, contributes to ecodestruction by killing birds and mice occasionally. To me this is negligible compared to the ecodestruction of simply existing in a city. If I lived in nature I would not have a cat. I don't think you can conflate my cat killing a pigeon twice a year in an urban environment with destroying the ecosystem.

It's also disengenuous to ignore the quality of life improvements of having a cat who is free to explore vs. one locked in an apartment all day. I recently moved and am now experiencing this and it sucks. I feel terrible for restricting her freedom and she is visibly less happy. If you think animals are sentient and have emotions, and you care about the environment, then none of what we are currently doing makes any sense.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I do already so I don't need to avoid doing because I already do even though the nature of my effect on the world is the sum of my behavior and I'm really bad at logic.

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yup, and I'm the only one with agency in the whole world. It's all about me.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

literally everyone has agency.

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago

Ok I see my sarcasm was lost on you so let me try again. There is nothing ethical about pet ownership or industrial civilization. If we cared about the well being of pets we wouldn't keep them, and if we cared about the well being of the planet we wouldn't build cities or burn fossil fuels.

I already have a cat. The above is moot for me. If I had to rethink this then maybe 12 years ago I would have made a different decision. At this point I am not going to euthenize my cat or blow up an oil pipeline. If you allow my cat agency then she should be allowed to explore her world and make her own decisions, just like the pigeons and rats that are forced to adapt to human civilization by eating garbage.

Anyway she's safely locked away and miserable now so none of this matters.

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